minnesotacubsfan

out of curiosity, how much do the Rams blitz?

"I like Kyle. I had great conviction to draft Kyle. Kyle drives a remarkable car, a 2004 Honda Accord"

man, you're all going to look foolish when Pace trades up to #5 and drafts Kyle Trask

Raw is absolutely right. You can and should trade up for a game-changing QB, just have to get the pick right. No one is saying Kansas City (10th overall for 27 overall, a 3rd rounder and a 1st rounder the next year) or Houston (12 for 27 and a first rounder the next year) traded too much for Mahomes and Watson. Obviously they should avoid trading a first rounder but they shouldn't have to at their current trajectory. They can and should backfill draft picks in other ways, yes (trade veterans, compensation picks, trade downs in non-QB scenarios). Also, if you don't have conviction on the QBs available, don't force one and work on filling the many other holes on the team. The Bears will probably get another chance at the top QBs in 2022. Good post except the word conviction is hereby banned post-Pace era. That is a dirty word now lol. exactly I'm not convinced Pence wont be around on draft day

thats just blind doom-bonnerin' the secondary has talent the DL has talent (could use more) Smith is a stud when healthy, the interior OL is solid (Daniels and Whitehair are good) Who knows about Miller. This should have been his break out year, with last year being pretty good. TE could be buttoned down for years with Kmet. there are holes, and they are thin at most positions, but the team isnt a barren wasteland

how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up. The Bears OL to start the season was a 1st rounder, 2 2nd rounders, a 4th rounder, and a 7th. Granted that 1st rounder was a failed pick playing a new position, but they paid both their tackles good money, paid their C, and used a 2nd round pick on a guard. Also, what you say isn't really true. SF doesn't have receiver weapons (outside of Kittle, who was a 5th round pick), they had a UDFA RB leading them to the SB. Ravens probably have the worst WR group in the league. Arizona's weapons were pretty bad until they traded for Drake and Hopkins and they still were the 16th offense. OL isn't great either. Goff doesn't have amazing weapons or OL. Titans lost their best 2 OL (both tackles) to injury early on and free agency before the season. Only the Saints and Browns really fit into a team surrounding their QB with great talent. What these teams have is a great scheme that plays to their strengths. I'm not even completely unconvinced a good enough coach couldn't scheme to Trubisky and Foles' strengths. It looked like Nagy was doing that with Trubisky and a coach actually won a SB with Foles. And they can afford to trade up for a QB. What they can't afford to do is pick the wrong QB. THE TEAM LACKS DEPTH, AND THEY LACK DEPTH BECAUSE THEY'VE TRADED AWAY PICKS. THEY CANT AFFORD TO KEEP DOING THAT sry capslock eta: look at it this way, they don't have a #2 WR, no #2 RB, no #1 TE (there's hope for Kmet), and all of their OLine backups are 7th rd or UFA's. You know what helps a team fill out those backups at reasonable prices? draft picks. Sure, this off season could be different with the CAP being low, but you're just likely to get older players who will command more salary anyway

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears. also lol @ Jones

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick Yeah, I get that. But there's also Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Lamar Jackson and Kyler Murray run good offenses without great throwing ability, Jared Goff (another #1 pick that hasn't lived up to billing), Bridgewater, Tannehill, etc. Even guys like Brees, Brady and Rivers aren't great anymore. Like 3 of these teams have more talent around them, but most of these guys are borderline average QBs who are leading offenses that run circles around the Bears. how many of those teams have offensive lines that are built with talent better then 7th rd picks? my point is this (and why I hate trading up for a QB): you an either draft a once in a lifetime QB (good luck) or you can surround a QB with talent with even better or equal talent. I just don't think the Bears can afford to trade up.

Mayfield has 1st round talent all around him, as does Hill. Smith was a #1 pick

If you aren't in the top 10, I think you have to look away from QB in the first round. But Pence being Pence will trade up to draft the BYU guy (my #4) ahead of Lance #doomboner

They inexplicably started 5-1. I was pointing this out earlier in this thread (I think), there are a ton of bad teams this year. Granted, there are more games to settle things out, chances are the Bears do better then most

I-who?

A change in ownership is not a thing the public can lobby got or something we can expect. There are plenty of more hands on owners with as bad or worse results. Calling for an ownership change is pointless and unnecessary. There is no reason why these people can’t hire better football people on their own. They’ve done better and they’ve done worse. They can do better. There is some reason they haven't done well and of course, they can do better. Are they capable of doing better? yes, they can. Angelo was good, Emry was a dumb hire, Pace was a good hire at the time. He was the up and coming GM protege

considering Pat Fitzgerald is being talked about as a replacement I'm not sure that the status quo wouldn't be better

horsefeathers that horsefeathers

Robinson is underrated you guys. Even tho he kind of sucks at big moments, totally underrated

Is the "fired head coach dead cat" bounce a real thing or are you just trying to stay positive?

I cant tell what's serious and whats joking around with this post. sure, OL can last many years, but QB? Not for the Bears. Sure, GB can have generational talent. Pittsburgh too! even a second tier small market team like NO can pull that rabbit out of a hat. But not the Bears. Never, ever the Bears. Well, I'm kind of operating under the assumption that the Bears aren't under some sort of curse that will never let them hit on a QB pick. If they are, then yeah, we'll have to do something different my friend, the curse is nothing ghoulish, it is simply accepted incompetency

I cant tell what's serious and whats joking around with this post. sure, OL can last many years, but QB? Not for the Bears. Sure, GB can have generational talent. Pittsburgh too! even a second tier small market team like NO can pull that rabbit out of a hat. But not the Bears. Never, ever the Bears.

Floyd always had talent, but by now its pretty clear that Pagano needs to be coaching dominoes, not an NFL team. Everything that man touches dies On the other hand, Roquan Smith is leading the league in tackles for loss, tied for second in solo tackles, that's something positive. if only we had a young EDGE rusher to pair with him for the next 5 years horsefeathers

growing up, TB was one of the worst franchises in history of any sport with only NO to rival them. Detroit, it seemed to me at the time, would someday rise to claim a championship with guys like Barry Sanders. shows you how much I can predict this sport

I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd? Was curious as to how valuable Mack would be, to that end, started looking at some statistics, found, Leonard Floyd. horsefeathering Leonard Floyd is arguably having a better season, its depressing, Mack is longer the elite defensive player every offense has to plan around. Really, do not believe he has much trade value also found horsefeathering GB has 12 sacks all season. They had only 9 going into the Bears game, just underlines the joke the Bears call an OL. Floyd always had talent, but by now its pretty clear that Pagano needs to be coaching dominoes, not an NFL team. Everything that man touches dies

yes, thats why I tend to ignore the idea. one thing that's going to suck is when Allen Robinson walks. Hes on pace for a 100 catch 1200 yrd 8 TD season. I tend to bag on him when he loses those 50/50 balls, but hes having a pretty solid year

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo. That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare It of course just depends on circumstance. If they have a cloud of 4 that are very close maybe you consider trading down 3 for an extra mid round pick from 15 to 18. Later in the draft, popping on a trade up and parting with a 6th, where they probably have 3-4 sixths, knock yourself out. Either way, I don't think trading down is going to dramatically improve their draft strength. If they want to actually improve draft capital it's by figuring out which vets, who could be gone in a year anyways, might net something. Thats how you are more likely to significantly alter your draft capital. Mack and Fuller are probably the only significant guys who might net you something interesting. So gotta figure out your price. Anyone else might get you some late picks... Just a matter of taking what you could get if you might be cutting them anyways (see, Hicks) I tend to discredit the later round picks so much that I wouldn't even think to package them to move up, but I also didn't realize they had any additional picks in those later rounds. That being said, what would (2) 6th round picks get you? I cant imagine too much, 5 slots in the 3rd?

I feel that way too, but especially/only in the 1st. BPA has to be the tactic as there are just too many holes to fill. If you can trade back and get good returns in the 1st, its also a very good option imo. That being said, there are some decent QB prospects in this draft and if one falls to them, I feel like they have to take the shot. I just DO NOT want to see them trading up for anyone in particular, they dont have the draft capital to spare