CubbieBum

Steroids aid muscle recovery. It's not all just about adding bulk. To say they wouldn't benefit an NBA player is false. Actually, I'm all for punishing those that are caught. I'd much prefer the sport to be clean, but I'm not going to pin the blame on one person when many were doing it. I don't believe any records are tainted nor should they be marked with an asterisk. It's called the steroid era because several people used them, not just Bonds. If you believe the wide-spread theory that he didn't start taking them until after the '98 season, then you can safely assume he hit quite a few homes before then off of pitchers that were on something. There is a reason MLB hasn't officially punished Bonds. Read into that what you will. Try rereading what I said. I said steroids wouldn't help NBA players as much. That is pretty easy to see. Yes they could be aided in getting back healthy sooner but after tat they are on their own natural ability meanwhile steroids can help baseball, and football guys add bulk and improve bat speed. Bonds has admitted to having taken them just claims he didn't know he was. He has been caught and he should be punished. The only way left is to blacklist him. Any other player who admits or is caught of purposefully using steroids to get ahead (I'm not talking every positive test because many of them are a result of a drug that didn't list an ingrediant that was banned). I have a lot of respect for Jason Giambi because he admitted to it and that takes guts especially in New York but I'm rather surprised he has just been allowed to keep playing. To me its a bit of a double standard by Selig (no surprise there). Rose has admitted his wrong doing why is he still being punished, that's the best example I can come up with. Giambi cheated, and admitted to it, I don't see why no one tried to get him banned which is how MLB has typically treated such situations before.

The lie he was supposedly caught in was that he said he didn't knowingly use (one of, I don't recall which) steroids or HGH. right, I know. but the fact is he's never tested positive. it's still an innocent until proven guilty thing. He said he didn't knowly take them but that would mean he has taken them he just don't know it was them. It's hard to believe someone allowing a needle to go into his butt without finding out what it is first. Especially a egocentric control freak like Bonds.

That's a generous percentage. When the only pics you look good in are photo shoots with pro hair and makeup stylists and photoshop whizzes and all your candid shots look gross, you're not hot. blasphemy! I would pull a Snyder and fracture my testicle with her.

Is this the new 40 days 40 nights movie??

A bit annoyed he said we have bombed on midseason grades 99 times in a row. We've had quite a few years where we have a good record midway through and falter directly afterward. It was our thing a decade ago.

ugghh ... I'm going to go with my yet to be born son.

won't last long ... Hornets got good attendance becasue they are one of the closest thus most popular teams to OKC plus the sympathy factor. The Sonics are like some foreign guy walking into town yelling LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I am the best ... except for we can't win.

So do you think teams should release a player that's been caught, or do you fell the punishments put in place by MLB are sufficient? Do you truly believe it was only a few that cheated? The number of people that have been caught isn't close to the number of people that actually did it. For the record, I didn't accuse the Spurs of cheating, but to just assume they're squeaky clean is naive. If my statement pisses you off, then you're taking this WAY too seriously. If the Cubs won it all with OR without Bonds and someone accused them of cheating, I wouldn't get pissed off. I'd be too busy enjoying the fact that the Cubs won a World Series. And as others have mentioned, your analogy of rapists is ridiculously off base and not even anything remotely like what we're discussing here. I mean, seriously...you're comparing players who have cheated at a sport to someone who essentially destroys the life of a child? The fact of the matter is that people have been looking for an "illegal" edge in competition throughout the history of sports. Just in baseball alone, pitchers threw spitballs/scuffed balls, hitters doctored their bats, took greenies, injected themselves with steroids and the like. I guess I shouldn't type in past tense since that stuff still goes on, and it will continue to go on. Players will continue to find better ways to cheat. In my opinion, it's hypocritical to admonish Bonds for what he's done when you've certainly (possibly unknowingly) rooted for several athletes who have done the same thing, regardless of whether the team knew about it or not (and in many cases, I would bet money that they knew). In the NBA yes. Steroids aren't going to do a whole lot for you in the NBA becasue strength its all too important. Athleticism and shooting are the two most important things. The way you talk it seems you don't think anyone should be punished. When we find out someone has purposefully taken HGH or some other steroid to be good then they should be out. I don't support anyone that I know has done so and Bonds is one of the few we know has. Signing him makes everything he did ok and that is foolish and irresponsible as an organization. And while they are both very wrong there is a difference to me between cheating with a spitball and cheating with steroids. Only one of those are you still using your natural ability. Like I said I condemn both but taking steroids is much worse.

They are purposeful extreme scenarios that have a similar situation in very different circumstances. It's true someone who cheats at his job won't be hired in that same job again (stockbrokers are probably a better example than I'm hot for the teacher examples). Plus I spned about 2 seconds thinking or an example.

They are purposeful extreme scenarios that have a similar situation in very different circumstances. It's true someone who cheats at his job won't be hired in that same job again (stockbrokers are probably a better example than I'm hot for the teacher examples). Plus I spned about 2 seconds thinking or an example.

It's actually nothing like that at all. If Bonds is playing and he gets caught, he should be punished. He got away with what he did, just like thousands of other players got away with breaking the rules over the years. Except for if no one signs him then he wouldn't get away with it. Why, does it somehow magically go back and erase the last few years he played and the money he made and the records he broke? No, but he may get a chance to ponder those excellent questions in prison sometime in the not-to-distant future. It's too early to say Bonds got away with it, he may end up paying more than anyone since Pete Rose. I'm pretty sure he will get at the least the punishment Rose got because he will likely never get voted into the hall.

It's actually nothing like that at all. If Bonds is playing and he gets caught, he should be punished. He got away with what he did, just like thousands of other players got away with breaking the rules over the years. Except for if no one signs him then he wouldn't get away with it. Why, does it somehow magically go back and erase the last few years he played and the money he made and the records he broke? It doesn't but he is still being punished for what he did if no one signs him. Just isn't the ideal punishment. In no other industry can a guy cheat or steal, have everyone find out he did it, and then still get hired for the same job somewhere else. Like the teachers who have sex with students you don't see any principals saying well he/she was a great teacher and the students tested really well so we are going to ignore what happened and hire he/she anyways because kids learning and testing well is all that matters.

There was an "other." Still should have been #1 with #2 being find more pictures with hot women who have thrown the first pitch at a Cubs game.

I agree with some of what you said but theres a big difference between compiling rebounds on a crappy team and compiling assists.

I'm disappointed there was no vote for All-Stars option.

It's actually nothing like that at all. If Bonds is playing and he gets caught, he should be punished. He got away with what he did, just like thousands of other players got away with breaking the rules over the years. Except for if no one signs him then he wouldn't get away with it.

Some fans on my Rockets board were wanting to trade for him. They must be some inbread texans or something.

Can you honestly tell me with no doubt whatsoever that no one on the Spurs has ever taken anything illegal to enhance their performance? There's no way you can say that with absolute certainty. I'm not advocating that athletes break the rules to win, and I honestly wish baseball was steroid-free. However, Bonds is not on any official "suspended" list. MLB has taken no official action against him, and there are rules in place on how they deal with these things when they catch someone. He'd be subject to the same testing as anyone else. If you can't support the Cubs if they sign Bonds, then I don't see how you can support them now when there are a few minor leaguers in the organization that have been suspended in the past few years for taking performance-enhancing drugs and most likely at least a couple players on the current 25-man roster who have done something along those lines without getting caught. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're a Purdue fan, right? Did you stop supporting the Boilers when they were found guilty of some recruiting violations about a decade ago? I know I wasn't happy about it when it happened, but I didn't stop being a Purdue fan. It's great to have morals, but to honestly think that there is a team out there - at least at the professional level - that hasn't looked the other way once in awhile when someone was doing something they shouldn't have been doing is being a bit naive. Purdue has athletics? I'm pretty sure the 4 years I was there (1991-1995) that they completely cancelled the football seasons. Football isn't athletics. From 91-95 Purdue football had Alstott so there was something to root for, and the men's basketball team won the Big Ten almost every year and was ranked #1 for a portion of those years and was a fixture in the top 10. Purdue athletics was alive and well then (heck might be the best era we've ever had with the 3-Pete). To answer the cheating question ... no I wasn't happy at all when it happened (I was around 10 at the time and still knew it was wrong) but the guilty parties were punished (well sort of I know a bit more about what happened because Kendrick's daughter went to school with me and another assistant became my high school's head coach). To the Bonds issue can you guys seriously not see the difference between supporting someone you believe to be legit and signing/supporting someone who has admitted (according to the leaked testimony) to having cheated in order to obtain two of the most hallowed records in the sport (single-season and career). Bonds hasn't been punished for his cheating ... at least he wouldn't be if a team signed him. His punishment is no team willing to sign him, he has been blacklisted due to his preivous cheating. And whoever the guy who brought up how I can know for sure the Spurs haven't cheated ... I can't but I'm not going to say well f-it and assume every team has cheated somewhere. That's not a good way to live life, enveloping everyone in the umbrela of blame because a few decided to ignore every principle in the book. The Spurs (who are my rival) have won multiple championships and have done it with class, hard work, by being one of the first to trust foreign players, and have never had a scandal other than a ref deciding he hates them (particulary Duncan). To be quite honest your non chalant casting of them cheating really pisses me off. It's the equivalent of saying well some guys your age have raped little girls so I'm going to call every guy your age a rapist.

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of. Rose isn't going to be a 20-10 guy with the second being Barkley. Barkley hasn't ever really had player like him. No one has been 6'4", able to run like a guard, dunk like a guard, yet fight underneath and rebound better than anyone else on the court. Beasley is much much closer to Barkley than Rose. He's 6'6" but a scoring and rebounding freak who can run and dunk like a guard but I doubt he will ever averaged 25-13 for a good portion of his career. He was talking about Beasley. well that would make more sense :banghead:

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005. They had still won more recently than us before 2005 and their team isn't built up as the lovable losers with the whole sports world knowing that we have been losing for a long time.

Evan Longoria

You do realize there is a difference between cheaters, and guys who seem washed up? I'm sure I have supported users and cheaters before the difference between them and Bonds is I didn't know it at the time they were playing otherwise I would have said give them the boot. With Bonds we know before even signing him has cheated and therefore we shouldn't sign him. I will never ever support one of my teams selling their integrity, credibility and/or soul just win. That's how this whole steroid era got going anyways. Owners wanted to win more than do what is right. Every team has had players that have been on performance enhancing drugs. Hell, it's not really a secret that the coffee pots in many team clubhouses had more than just java in them. Every team knew what was going on and looked the other way. I'm not sure how you can possibly think signing Bonds is any worse than that. And if you truly aren't going to support any of your teams "selling their integrity, credibility and/or soul just win," let me know what a life without competitive sports is like. Teams can win without breaking moral and ethical boundries to do so. Look at the Spurs. Life has been just fine living WITh competitive sports with the philosophy of not breaking the rules just to win. Most athletes live by that most fans do not because to a fan all there is is winning and excuse me if I refuse to look at it with that stupid ignorant vision. Like I said the difference now from then is I know. I didn't and don't know if Sammy took illegal stuff. I am 100 percent confident he took something but it may or may not have been on the ban list like McGwire's androstine. Signing an admitted cheater is a line I don't want my team to cross and if they do I would seriously have to think about my support of said team.

Can we just say what it really is Manny being stupid.

his game compares more to barkley's than anyone else i can think of. Rose isn't going to be a 20-10 guy with the second being Barkley. Barkley hasn't ever really had player like him. No one has been 6'4", able to run like a guard, dunk like a guard, yet fight underneath and rebound better than anyone else on the court. Beasley is much much closer to Barkley than Rose. He's 6'6" but a scoring and rebounding freak who can run and dunk like a guard but I doubt he will ever averaged 25-13 for a good portion of his career.

1 in every 20 threads if not much less is about the Cardinals. That is what I would expect since they are the Cubs rival. I haven't looked but I would bet the Cards site and Brewers site has about the same ratio if not higher with threads concerning the Cubs.