it's harder in College Football than in most other sports. The Bears can lose to the Packers twice but still win the Super Bowl. The Cubs can go 0-17 against the Cardinals but make the playoffs. In College Football, 2 losses almost always means you're out of the NC picture. If that's the criteria for success, then you pretty much can't lose to anyone That's a good point, but leading up to the 07 year, Tennessee fans were saying that an SEC Championship (or at least contending for one) was all that mattered. Then Tennessee did and they were pissed that the Vols lost badly to UF and Bama. I was just curious to get input from the board. I put beating rivals as secondary to winning championships - no matter the sport. If my team can win (or play for) a title (conference or national) without beating its major rivals, I'm cool with that. It's a bit hard to answer as a PSU fan, as we don't really have a rivalry on the level of UM/OSU, Auburn/Bama, or the like. It used to be Pitt, but they fell off the schedule after PSU joined the Big Ten (for reasons no one can answer). They play MSU for the Land Grant Trophy, but that's a completely made up rivalry that neither school puts much thought into. For fans, Michigan and Ohio St. are the two big games every year, but neither of those schools consider PSU a rival