i don't care if it's persuasive, i said i didn't want to have an argument about this in the minor league game thread. Then why accuse me of manipulating stats, mention only career numbers and not look any deeper into his stats in the first place? Doesn't add up. Anyway, we are each welcome to our opinions and, you are absolutely right, the minor league forum isn't the best place for this discussion. Go Cubs! the reason i don't look deeper into his stats is b/c there's nothing to see. he's bad and his stats are bad, bad, bad with the exception of a good part of '04 and maybe half of 2005. and he absolutely sucked today. sucked. but it's not that surprising b/c he's sucked for the majority of his career. hill or guzman needs to be called up, and they both pitched great this week.