and with rusch, williams, maddux and hill in the rotation, you need someone that can hit the freaking ball. damn it, hill...4-2. Defense and pitching wins. hey, if the cliche sounds good, it must be true. It's not a Cliche and you know it's true. Look at any world series winner the past 3-4 years and you will see Solid D and Great pitching. yeah, i think we all remember boston's '04 team for its flashy defense. oh, and a lineup full of high OBP mashers. hill's had two lefties 0-2...he needs to k those guys.