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.273/.327/.399/.726 is the average line for ALL shortstops, including backups, so those numbers are going to be down a bit from the average starting SS. Theriot is at .282/.349/.370/.719 So yes his OBP is probably a little above average for a starting SS, but his power is definitely lower. All in all, he's not a terrible option with the numbers he's put up this year. Power is very over rated, especially for a number 2 hitter.
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so he is average, how is that a hole. Where do you get those stats?
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So you're basing your throwing decision on the worst case scenario, that being a terrible throw that the 2nd cut can't even knock down. Makes sense to do that for little league and even some high schoolers(though by the time I learned double cut we were using it in the way I presented), but for a major leaguer that's wasteful to throw to the short guy just because you might make a bad throw and now you can save a runner from moving up one base max. Just the opposite--if you miss the first guy, there is a back-up. If you miss the second guy, problems. I don't know how old you are or if you've ever played ball at an advanced level. However, reading your posts makes me think you haven't. Once you get past little league there is no 2nd cut off. If you need two cuts to get a guy out at home you aren't getting him out unless he's tryng for an inside the park HR or very, very slow. It is asinine. I could be wrong but it looked to me like Murton picked Theriot up at the edge of the infield like an outfielder is taught to do when throwing to home, and fired. Theriot might have been backing up Derosa who was way out of positon, I don't know. Had Murton thrown to him instead of Theriot a run would have scored. Good play by Murton and Theriot. :idea: This should be obvious.
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One of the big reasons that Fontenot's numbers look so good in the 2 spot is that he was put there when he was hot, and as soon as he started to cool they moved him further down the lineup. That's going to lead to a distorted picture of that spot in the lineup. x2, I don't understand why everyone thinks Theriot sucks, he's proved he can run the bases, hit the ball, and field his position(SS). What else is there for him to do? Rob homerun balls? :roll: well he has almost no power. But as the team is constructed, he's the best option at SS and should be playing there pretty much every day. I'd be almost certain that he is above average for most statistics for a SS. Where can I find those comparisons to league average?
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Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-31-2007
Skyballer replied to CaliforniaRaisin's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
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One of the big reasons that Fontenot's numbers look so good in the 2 spot is that he was put there when he was hot, and as soon as he started to cool they moved him further down the lineup. That's going to lead to a distorted picture of that spot in the lineup. x2, I don't understand why everyone thinks Theriot sucks, he's proved he can run the bases, hit the ball, and field his position(SS). What else is there for him to do? Rob homerun balls? :roll:
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Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute?
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What are Riot's numbers there :?:
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Just wanted to point out nothing has worked for JJ. .241/.308/.333 overall this season, .283/.370/.326 post all star break. .188/.350/.250 in his last 7 days. Jacque has been unproductive all year long. He had a nice little streak there where he drew a couple walks and found some holes for singles, but he has shown no power all year and has been a big drag on the team. Alright I was dead wrong on JJ.
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. And also, I like your opinion on how to use Cedeno, he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days. A - what does that even mean? B - is that what Abe said? It means he gives a guy a rest and lets the starter figure out his swing and come back in and hit well. Simple baseball logic. That's pretty ridiculous baseball logic. How many every day players need to take a few days off every so often to "figure out their swing"? And taking a few days off periodically isn't going to "get other guys hot." That makes no sense. I mean when they're in a slump. It worked for Riot and JJ, and seems to be working for Font, he hit the ball hard yesterday aganst a lefty So "he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days" was a very roundabout way of saying you think Cedeno makes a good backup? yes, he's certainly not a starter.
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. And also, I like your opinion on how to use Cedeno, he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days. A - what does that even mean? B - is that what Abe said? It means he gives a guy a rest and lets the starter figure out his swing and come back in and hit well. Simple baseball logic. That's pretty ridiculous baseball logic. How many every day players need to take a few days off every so often to "figure out their swing"? And taking a few days off periodically isn't going to "get other guys hot." That makes no sense. I mean when they're in a slump. It worked for Riot and JJ, and seems to be working for Font, he hit the ball hard yesterday aganst a lefty
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. And also, I like your opinion on how to use Cedeno, he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days. A - what does that even mean? B - is that what Abe said? It means he gives a guy a rest and lets the starter figure out his swing and come back in and hit well. Simple baseball logic. figure out his swing? flawed archaic baseball adage aka, make adjustments
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I know you love Riot, but I think he could actually run with the ball and get it to 1B faster than he can throw it there. His arm is at the very least average or better, I'm not saying he's an infield version of Ichiro but DeRo doesn't have a strong arm, more accurate yes but not strong(er).
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. And also, I like your opinion on how to use Cedeno, he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days. A - what does that even mean? B - is that what Abe said? It means he gives a guy a rest and lets the starter figure out his swing and come back in and hit well. Simple baseball logic.
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. ....and Cedeno has proven he's brutal @ 2B. Tough luck for Cedeno. Riot is a better Shortstop and has earned his right to live there, if Cedeno is going to play he either has to outplay Riot or move to second and out play DeRo or Fontenot.
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I'm no proffesional on outfield play but had Murton hit DeRo and not Riot, I think there would be another run, it was a strong accurate throw to the second guy who was closer to the plate than DeRo. And any diff. in the arm strength between Riot and DeRo is marginal.
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I think a mob would start with the sole purpose of lynching Lou, I would lead that mob. :lol: I think you would be leading a mob of 1 while the rest of us would be thrilled to have Hamels out of the game. a mob of two http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g7/nikkoaz/matt_murton.jpg
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I think a mob would start with the sole purpose of lynching Lou, I would lead that mob. :lol:
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Some of Lou's decisions are questionable to say the least, but overall I like him.
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I like DeRo at second too, but when he isn't playing second and giving Fontenot's recent performance I'd start Cedeno at second, not short. Theriot has proven he can handle short. And also, I like your opinion on how to use Cedeno, he seems like the kind of guy who gets other guys hot by starting in their place for a few days.
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very funny, Floyd should play but not every day,he can't physically handle it and by the way Murton had it figured out at AAA, both offensively and defensively. player B isn't Floyd Are you really campaigning for Pagan over Murton? no, just playing devil's advocate and maybe trying to explain why LOU would start one over the other. career numbers are good and all, but I think Lou is a "what have you done for me lately" guy, and clearly Pagan has made the better of his AB's this year than Murton has It certainly seems that Lou is a "what have you done for me lately" guy - though some guys get longer leashes than others. I have to believe Murton kicked Lou's dog or hit on his daughter* or something. *I don't know if Lou even has a dog, or a daughter for that matter. I have been saying this all along. :lol:
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Colvin? Next year? Presumably, Jones in 2008, then who knows in 2009. But with Colvin in AA, it wouldn't be a surprise to think the Cubs thought of him as their guy by then. Colvin makes Pie look like Adam Dunn in terms of taking walks. He's got 14 walks all year long. He only has an OPS of .700 right now in AA. Hey, I'm not saying it's my plan, just that it would make sense to believe the Cubs think it's a legit plan. Obviously Soriano has LF for 8 years. They are extremely high on Colvin, given the aggressive promotion for no good reason. One would think Soriano, Pie, Colvin is on somebody's mind, but if they want to get a "legit" RF, then they will probably trade one of Pie or Colvin. I think Kroeger is better in right.
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very funny, Floyd should play but not every day,he can't physically handle it and by the way Murton had it figured out at AAA, both offensively and defensively. player B isn't Floyd Are you really campaigning for Pagan over Murton? Could be, don't know why though
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very funny, Floyd should play but not every day,he can't physically handle it and by the way Murton had it figured out at AAA, both offensively and defensively.
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Agreed, keep Riot as short.