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The problem was that he played so many other positions as well. And i also edited the post with even MORE proof.

http://allstar.rotoworld.com/scb/lm/reports/player.asp?sport=BB&Leaguenum=9592&Mode=&X=7670&Y=0 Note: the source is the Chicago Sun Times Referring to SS http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/358886,CST-SPT-cubnt26.article

You're saying this like you have. i've heard him say it before. And everybody else has heard him say we'd "try him out" at SS. Which meant he'd try him as a starter

You're saying this like you have. i've heard him say it before.

If you ever get a chance to talk to Lou, he would tell you he's a SS.

The difference for Theriot between Second and Short is a minimal difference (17 i think) shifting in favor of second for his MilB career. He played Short in college and is consistantly reffered to by knowledgable people as a natural SS. Send an e-mail to Len and Bob or one to Muskat and you'll get the truth.

Or just disappears completely. Neither will happen i'm not wrong.

Theriot has been reffered to several times by Len and Bob and by Team officials as a SS.

Cedeno hasn't been hitting for as much power recently, I'll grant... but he's still batting .310 in his last 10 games. And why on earth are you using errors to judge a player's defense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. Why on earth are you using batting average to judge a player's offense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. :wink: His defense doesn't worry me one bit. Great range don't mean crap when he drops the ball every time he gets to it, and considering the hitter paradise in Iowa's AAA league, I don't agree with this call up one bit. Need I remind you we have a right fielder who lives life day to day. Take a look at his probabilistic model of range page from last year. Even in a year where he made a uncharacteristically high number of errors, he did enough on balls that nobody else would get to to make him right about the definition of average defensively. Theriot isn't even that good. And Sean, I just didn't feel like crunching the numbers myself. I know it's lazy, but so am I. Seems to me like Cedeno is slightly above average ranging to his right yet terrible at ranging to his left(which makes sense cause that's what I remeber), while Theriot is much better at ranging to his left and the difference sems to make Theriot a better SS. Besides how many of Cedeno's errors are 2-base errors, compared to Theriot's minimal errors. Theriot played two games for a total of 17 innings at SS last year. If that's not small sample size, I don't know what is. Besides, anybody who's watching the Cubs can tell that Theriot doesn't have hardly anything in the way of arm. Fixed, he can still get to the ball and besides a little work on his arm should get him a much stronger arm and make him a very solid fielder. Cedeno has better range and arm but makes way too many errors. He can do all the work he wants on his arm. He's still going to have a well below average arm for a SS. Theriot is a 2b who's playing SS because we didn't have a very good option. Cedeno is on fire at AAA. Might as well give him a chance, considering he's an actual SS. So is Theriot, he was just used at second because he plays there and because Izzy wan't going anywhere. Theriot is a natural SS. Please know what you're talking about. uhh, Theriot is not a natural SS See post above yours.

Before insulting people you should probably heed your own advice first. Theriot is not a natural SS. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Theriot

Darn, if only we had a 25-year-old in the minors who has a full season experience in the majors.

Cedeno hasn't been hitting for as much power recently, I'll grant... but he's still batting .310 in his last 10 games. And why on earth are you using errors to judge a player's defense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. Why on earth are you using batting average to judge a player's offense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. :wink: His defense doesn't worry me one bit. Great range don't mean crap when he drops the ball every time he gets to it, and considering the hitter paradise in Iowa's AAA league, I don't agree with this call up one bit. Need I remind you we have a right fielder who lives life day to day. Take a look at his probabilistic model of range page from last year. Even in a year where he made a uncharacteristically high number of errors, he did enough on balls that nobody else would get to to make him right about the definition of average defensively. Theriot isn't even that good. And Sean, I just didn't feel like crunching the numbers myself. I know it's lazy, but so am I. Seems to me like Cedeno is slightly above average ranging to his right yet terrible at ranging to his left(which makes sense cause that's what I remeber), while Theriot is much better at ranging to his left and the difference sems to make Theriot a better SS. Besides how many of Cedeno's errors are 2-base errors, compared to Theriot's minimal errors. Theriot played two games for a total of 17 innings at SS last year. If that's not small sample size, I don't know what is. Besides, anybody who's watching the Cubs can tell that Theriot doesn't have hardly anything in the way of arm. Fixed, he can still get to the ball and besides a little work on his arm should get him a much stronger arm and make him a very solid fielder. Cedeno has better range and arm but makes way too many errors. He can do all the work he wants on his arm. He's still going to have a well below average arm for a SS. Theriot is a 2b who's playing SS because we didn't have a very good option. Cedeno is on fire at AAA. Might as well give him a chance, considering he's an actual SS. So is Theriot, he was just used at second because he plays there and because Izzy wan't going anywhere. Theriot is a natural SS. Please know what you're talking about.

Cedeno hasn't been hitting for as much power recently, I'll grant... but he's still batting .310 in his last 10 games. And why on earth are you using errors to judge a player's defense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. Why on earth are you using batting average to judge a player's offense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. :wink: His defense doesn't worry me one bit. Great range don't mean crap when he drops the ball every time he gets to it, and considering the hitter paradise in Iowa's AAA league, I don't agree with this call up one bit. Need I remind you we have a right fielder who lives life day to day. Take a look at his probabilistic model of range page from last year. Even in a year where he made a uncharacteristically high number of errors, he did enough on balls that nobody else would get to to make him right about the definition of average defensively. Theriot isn't even that good. And Sean, I just didn't feel like crunching the numbers myself. I know it's lazy, but so am I. Seems to me like Cedeno is slightly above average ranging to his right yet terrible at ranging to his left(which makes sense cause that's what I remeber), while Theriot is much better at ranging to his left and the difference sems to make Theriot a better SS. Besides how many of Cedeno's errors are 2-base errors, compared to Theriot's minimal errors. Theriot played two games for a total of 17 innings at SS last year. If that's not small sample size, I don't know what is. Besides, anybody who's watching the Cubs can tell that Theriot doesn't have hardly anything in the way of arm. Fixed, he can still get to the ball and besides a little work on his arm should get him a much stronger arm and make him a very solid fielder. Cedeno has better range and arm but makes way too many errors.

Cedeno career fielding overall: .962 fielding and range of 4.13 Theriot:.984/4.07 I'll take Theriot. Especially considering he also play Third, Left, Center, and Right. Cedeno SB 10/19 Theriot SB 29/33

Cedeno hasn't been hitting for as much power recently, I'll grant... but he's still batting .310 in his last 10 games. And why on earth are you using errors to judge a player's defense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. Why on earth are you using batting average to judge a player's offense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. :wink: His defense doesn't worry me one bit. Great range don't mean crap when he drops the ball every time he gets to it, and considering the hitter paradise in Iowa's AAA league, I don't agree with this call up one bit. Need I remind you we have a right fielder who lives life day to day. Take a look at his probabilistic model of range page from last year. Even in a year where he made a uncharacteristically high number of errors, he did enough on balls that nobody else would get to to make him right about the definition of average defensively. Theriot isn't even that good. And Sean, I just didn't feel like crunching the numbers myself. I know it's lazy, but so am I. Seems to me like Cedeno is slightly above average ranging to his right yet terrible at ranging to his left(which makes sense cause that's what I remeber), while Theriot is much better at ranging to his left and the difference sems to make Theriot a better SS. Besides how many of Cedeno's errors are 2-base errors, compared to Theriot's minimal errors.

Cedeno hasn't been hitting for as much power recently, I'll grant... but he's still batting .310 in his last 10 games. And why on earth are you using errors to judge a player's defense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. Why on earth are you using batting average to judge a player's offense? I thought the world was past that archaic mode of thought. :wink: His defense doesn't worry me one bit. Great range don't mean crap when he drops the ball every time he gets to it, and considering the hitter paradise in Iowa's AAA league, I don't agree with this call up one bit. Need I remind you we have a right fielder who lives life day to day.

Why the hell did we call up a slumping shortstop who makes a lot of errors just when Theriot starts doing well? Anyone know the number for ESPN?

I think you might want Fontentot and Edgar to have a cup of tea and settle things. I think if we get Renteria's 335/392/487, we can leave Fontenot a copy of a text on how to build a bridge. And Lilly?

I think you might want Fontentot and Edgar to have a cup of tea and settle things.

i always use both quality and quantity

I'm pretty high on both, Pie has great speed and has 5-tool potential. And Marshall has a great curve and can hit a dime 60 feet away, He's got deadly accuracy. This is the second time you've said this and it's the second time I'll call you out on it. Marshall's is above average at best. Where you get the idea that he's got this Greg Maddux laser eye control is beyond me. You certainly couldn't have gotten it from actually watching him pitch. Scouting reports.

Ain't he an outfielder with a good arm and good speed? Why waste him at 1B? He's been playing in the OF, probably just got a game there to change things up, Hoffpauir is on the DL and Moore got promoted so there weren't a ton of 1B options(especially since Soto caught). Oh, any news on who will get called up between Murton and Cedeno? (since Moore will likely go down.)

Ain't he an outfielder with a good arm and good speed? Why waste him at 1B?

Isn't Guzman in the minors?

I'm pretty high on both, Pie has great speed and has 5-tool potential. And Marshall has a great curve and can hit a dime 60 feet away, He's got deadly accuracy.