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So the answer is no, you don't. :wink:
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I think White in the 2nd would be a bad idea and the Bears won't do it. If they did, they'd fail to implement it properly. If you think otherwise fine, but I'm not sure what this discussion is about anymore. Its a discussion of the hypothetical scenario of running the Wildcat offense and spending a second or third rounder on Pat White to do so. It kind of became whether or not the Bears would do it, but I was originally less concerned about whether or not they would. Just curious how people would feel if they did. I'd be intrigued and nervous, but excited for the possibility it could work, and you think its a stupid idea. What I don't get is you seem to want it to happen, deny wanting it, then support it. Do you want them to draft Pat White in the 2nd round?
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Return man was actually a big need that year. It wasn't a second round need. We had Berrian, Davis, and possibly Vasher all capable of doing so. Plus many fans felt he would have been around much longer. It was a pretty big need, much more than "wildcat QB" is right now. Davis was a just signed DB converting to WR. Berrian was in the process of becoming the featured WR and Vasher was not a return candidate. Their 2 primary returners from the before were gone, and if I remember correctly, had some serious fumble issues. It was an 11 win team with a great defense, weak offense and shaky special teams. They wanted playmakers and drafted 2 returners to make those plays. They didn't have huge holes on the offensive lines. They had Moose and Berrian, plus a halfway decent Justin Gage and the converted Davis for receivers (plus felt giving Grossman the job from the start would help) and didn't feel a need there. They didn't have any significant defensive needs. And felt comfortable making specific improvements to the return game. This team is completely different. They have needs on the OLine, WR, and really need fresh bodies on defense. They don't have the luxury of screwing around with a guy who might make a decent wildcat QB in the 2nd round.
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I think White in the 2nd would be a bad idea and the Bears won't do it. If they did, they'd fail to implement it properly. If you think otherwise fine, but I'm not sure what this discussion is about anymore.
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Return man was actually a big need that year.
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The wildcat just isn't that interesting to me. It's how they played football 70 years ago. The Bears desperately need offensive lineman, WR and help on defense. Spending a 2nd rounder on White to potentially run some wildcat plays would be an incredible waste of resources. If he's around in the 5th, fine.
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since Ron Turner probably isnt doing the formal and/or funcion of drafting, I dont think we need to worry about it So the GM is going to ignore how his coaches coach when making decisions? Is he also going to ignore the Bears are primarily a cover-2 team that emphasizes speed over size? Angelo doesn't draft guys that don't fit what they need and can use. He might draft guys that ultimately suck, but they fit profiles.
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I don't know if anyone has said that. The RealGM guy has predicted the Bears to pick him, but I'm not sure under what idea. He may have made the pick with the understanding the Bears would try and use him as a full time QB. Who knows. I just asked the hypothetical if the Bears picked him with that intention how fans would feel. I would feel there's no way the Bears do that because it would be stupid, and because Ron Turner wouldn't know how to make it work.
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Wildcat formation on a regular basis creative? I don't think so. It took him a year and a half to figure out how to throw to Olsen. The Bears are an extremely vanilla offense. I said nothing of the Wildcat. and Turner has always had decent plays in his playbook (Des Howard playaction to beat the Packers), it's simply that he brain-farts when it comes to gametime playcalling 90% of the time. They are "vanilla" becuase of his inability to call a game, not becuase he cant draw up a good play. The whole point is somebody thinks the Bears will draft Pat White in the 2nd to run the wildcat. Any offensive coordinator can draw up an interesting play. Actual creative OC's figure out how to implement them on a regular basis and get positive results.
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Wildcat formation on a regular basis creative? I don't think so. It took him a year and a half to figure out how to throw to Olsen. The Bears are an extremely vanilla offense.
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But talking about reaching for guys is not the same as you portraying as some crazy draft guy that always does the unexpected. Drafting a wildcat back in the 2nd round would be unexpected, but it would be unlike anything else he's done. He reaches and takes small school guys earlier than most would, but that has nothing to do with Pat White. And again, Ron Turner is the offensive coordinator. I don't see the creativity to make something like that work, or be worthwhile.
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This is why I don't get all the over the top Big East love. It's a huge conference. You are going to have more good teams when you do that. They do have some very good teams and are the best conference, but it's never talked about in perspective. And the abundance of crappy-mediocre teams are ignored.
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Late 2nd I believe. He traded down and took Manning, then got Hester later. It wasn't really a reach, he was talented as heck and filled a need they had. White isn't 2nd round worthy and doesn't do anything the Bears can take advantage of, plus they have tons of other actual needs, not part-time QB.
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You don't see it that way, but I don't think you're giving Angelo enough "credit" in his ability to do the unexpected. What the heck does that even mean? What does he do that's so crazy? Everybody knew he needed Tackle help last year, and he drafted one. They needed RB and WR as well, and he took those in 2 and 3. He's reached on guys like Bazuin and Wolfe, but what in the world has been so unexpected by him?
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I will never understand the internet phenomenon of a guy who yells really loud calling basketball games. that's cause you're an old white man Bill Simmons is older and whiter and he started this whole thing. As an aside, it was a year or two ago that I first learned Gus was black. I'd heard his voice calling Knicks games in the background. i was stunned too, but i think it's because i don't think of gus as a black guy's name When I first started reading Simmons rave about the guy, I was picturing Ernie Johnson.
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I will never understand the internet phenomenon of a guy who yells really loud calling basketball games. that's cause you're an old white man Bill Simmons is older and whiter and he started this whole thing. As an aside, it was a year or two ago that I first learned Gus was black. I'd heard his voice calling Knicks games in the background.
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The Bears can't afford to gamble a high pick on such an unlikely to succeed player, and I don't see anyway they implement a successful creative "wildcat" type scheme with Ron Turner as offensive coordinator.
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I will never understand the internet phenomenon of a guy who yells really loud calling basketball games.
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Realistic, Bold Predictions for '09
jersey cubs fan replied to FearTheBako's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
May, June, July, August, September 2008. If he stays at that pace in April, May and June 2009, you will really have to consider doing something. He's 33, has had a major wrist injury and is experiencing leg problems right now. -
Lou: Fukudome Penciled in at 2-Spot in Linuep
jersey cubs fan replied to E.J.'s topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
While this concern is certainly legitimate, especially if his swing still has a huge hole in it, I'd like to give him more than 17 sporadic at-bats before casting judgment. Perhaps he's just rusty like a lot of players at this stage of spring training. We're 24 days into the Cactus League season. Isn't that enough time to shake off most of the rust? Fukudome hasn't been playing in the Cactus League.... And as for the others, not all of them have been healthy enough to play every day, and a lot of times guys carry over their "rustiness" into April. -
Realistic, Bold Predictions for '09
jersey cubs fan replied to FearTheBako's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I knew it wouldn't be long untill someone played the "small sample size" card. The numbers are still real, and he continues to impress with every opportunity he gets. I probably should have quoted his career .800 + OPS through the minors. As long as he keeps hitting, how do you keep him out of the lineup? I understand that with more Ab's, his numbers might dwindle, and if so, fine, he is still a great bench bat. Its time to stop assuming DLee is going to hit like he did in '05. Hoff may very well be out best offinsive option at 1B this year. Thats reality. I don't know about "may very well be". It would be extremely unlikely. A Lee/Hoff platoon might be the best option, but even that could be a longshot. Lee's 2008 numbers against RHP - .286./344/.441 was well below his career average, and may wind up being better than Hoff can do on a regular basis. -
Lou: Fukudome Penciled in at 2-Spot in Linuep
jersey cubs fan replied to E.J.'s topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Given a couple of the strange situations on the roster, Fukudome in AAA is not out of the realm. If Fukudome stays, there is only room for: Backup catcher Miles Johnson And 2 of: Gathwright/Hoffpauir/2nd backup infielder If Fukudome goes to AAA all of those players can make the team. -
Realistic, Bold Predictions for '09
jersey cubs fan replied to FearTheBako's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Yeah, definitely not happening. And poor is a little bit of a stretch: he still got on base at a .361 clip last year and had a 110 OPS+. Certainly not what you want in the three spot because of the low slugging percentage (in the 400's), but not bad enough to be benched in favor of a guy who has 73 career big league at bats. The OPS+ was 94 in the second half. His OPS was below 800 in every month but April. "Poorly as he did late last year" was probably taking it easy on him. -
Well, he wasn't nearly as good as his reputation and he acted like a child when the Cubs refused to offer him a contract he didn't deserve (and he ultimately had to settle for much less from Arizona). Plus, he's just a smug dude. But the disdain is probably wearing off.
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Realistic, Bold Predictions for '09
jersey cubs fan replied to FearTheBako's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
The only way that #1 happens is if Lee suffers a season-ending injury, and the Cubs can't work out a trade with another team for a first baseman for the rest of the season. Item #2 is possible, but not probable. I guess that makes it a "bold" prediction. Well, Lee is already banged up, and if he plays as poorly as he did late last year, I'm not sure how long Lou will stick with him, assuming Hoff is hitting. Highly doubtful though.
