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and thirty years ago no owner, GM, or head coach would tolerate a quarterback throwing the football across the line of scrimmage more than a handful of times. You don't know the future. All it takes is one guy to successfully implement even part of it.

I didnt say that the speed backs were taking over. I said that running back by committee is taking over. That being said you would expect the leading rushers in the NFL to be power backs not speed backs since speed backs don't get a lot of carries. I didn't say anything about Tebow style QBs being the future of the NFL. I merely said that more and more pass first QBs are being asked to run than before. Tebow fits that mold. He has work to do with adjusting to the NFL pro style offense, but the tools are there for him to make it. He's a high risk high reward guy who will be popped in the first round. For what it's worth: People only say that a spread-option offense can't work in the NFL. No one's actually tried to fully implement it. The reason that spread-option guys have struggled in the NFL is that most of them don't have the background knowledge of the very intricate NFL offense that they have to run. It's a completely different setup than they've spent their entire life doing. That's probably going to be the biggest thing for Tebow. Forget his slow delivery or anything else that you think is physically wrong with him as a QB. We both accept that he's got at the very least average to above average pure passing skills. Tim Tebow has run the spread since he was twelve years old. It's the only style of football he knows. He's taken all of 17 snaps in his college career from under the center...and I'd reckon half of those are QB kneels and the other half are 1 yard QB sneaks. He does have one TD pass out of it (this year vs Hawaii), but those two adjustments are going to be the key as to whether or not he makes it in the NFL. It's not going to be his arm strength, throwing motion, accuracy or anything like that. It's going to be how well he adjusts to the new style.

I didn't realize a team that is in the top 20 for rushing yards per game is one dimensional. There also top third in YPC. They can run the ball. If you think they only run when they're up....that is what all good teams do. Only bad teams run the ball when they're not up. I should also point out that Oklahoma was sixth in rushing yards in the first half entering todays game.

Try telling every one of Florida's opponents otherwise. Dependable grind it out Big Ten style backs are completely overrated and fairly useless in this place called reality. Wells and Moreno are better inside the tackles runners than Rainey and Demps, but Rainey and Demps for whatever reason are better at getting these important things called yards. Rainey and Demps are actually very very good inside the tackles and probably have higher YPCs than Moreno and Wells between the tackles too. I mean afterall. Beanie Wells has carried the ball a whopping 191 times for 1091 yards. Demps and Harvin have combined for 1067 yards on just two thirds the carries (116) . In fact the Gators triumvirate has 198 carries - just seven more - and have about 650 more yards. Those 1721 yards are just 8 yards fewer than Shonn Greene's total this year...on 80 fewer carries. Those 1721 yards are 130 more than Ringers'....on over 250 fewer carries. Those 1721 yards are 383 yard more than Moreno on thirty fewer carries. Perhaps Demps, Rainey and company wouldn't be able to carry the ball 30 times a game for the entire season, but that's a good thing. Take Chris Wells for example, his longest run in the fourth quarter is 9 yards. Greene's production in the fourth quarter falls by nearly a yard per carry. Last year Moreno averaged nearly 6 yards per carry in the first three quarters. 3.85 in the fourth. Granted there are some sample size issues here, but c'mon let's run the tired guy out there the entire time. Is the tired guy really better than a 100% backup at universities like Ohio State, Florida and Georgia? Of course not. Lets mix them up and keep their legs fresh. Demps, Rainey and company pile up high runs consistently because they're faster than everyone else, and their legs are completely rested each time they get the ball. This is the future of the running back position. The days of grind it out 40 attempt backs are numbered. NFL teams are starting to get the picture and so are college coaches. You run when you win, you don't run to win unless you run for high efficiency. You're "great" backs pile up empty yards in the former. http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1129/ncf_u_tebow03_600.jpg

Demps and Harvin are #1 and #2 nationally in yards per carry. Chris Rainey is sitting #8 and Emmanuel Moody is sitting #12. If you just look at BCS teams, they're #1, #2, #4, and #7. Yo. Note: This isn't including this weeks game. Demps ran the ball 9 times for 89 yards, which will increase his YPC a little bit. Harvins will go down a bit, but he and Demps have a 1 yard lead over #3. Rainey's average will also increase as he ran the ball 8 times for 97 yards. Moody's will also slightly increase, after he ran 5 times for 40.

And if Texas Tech lost to Oklahoma in September and beat Oklahoma State and Texas the last two weeks, would we be having the debate of Texas/Texas Tech? (No)

No, but if Penn State lost to Iowa in September and drilled Oregon State and Ohio State the last two weeks they'd be in the debate (for the Nat'l Title)

USC's offense is not that impressive. on a play by play basis they've been very productive.

I entered: Florida beats Florida State Georgia Tech beats Georgia Alabama beats Auburn Kansas beats Missouri Oklahoma beats Oklahoma State into the colley playgod feature. last week in the BCS It was 1. TEXAS (10-1) 0.94460 2. ALABAMA (11-0) 0.91600 3. UTAH (12-0) 0.90587 4. FLORIDA (10-1) 0.90217 5. OKLAHOMA (10-1) 0.89398 it spits out 1. TEXAS (10-1) 0.94429 2. OKLAHOMA (11-1) 0.92392 3. FLORIDA (11-1) 0.92107 4. ALABAMA (12-0) 0.91556 5. UTAH (12-0) 0.90634 Note: Texas and Texas Tech games seemingly have NO impact on the ordering. One thing to take note of is that Florida and Oklahoma were behind Utah (and Texas Tech) in the computers prior to this week. They're both likely to surpass Utah in most of the computers and possibly Texas Tech. Texas had no "hidden" points to make up in the computers. Oklahoma did. My guess is that our BCS rankings tomorrow will be: 1. Alabama 2. Oklahoma 3. Texas 4. Florida 5. Southern Cal

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its hard enough to stop the offense......you cant let the kick off return team score

jesus christ okie state

First, hiring Bob Davie. Second, hiring Ty Willingham. Third, hiring Charlie Weis. Fourth, maintaining their academic standards. Really, they're still a force on the recruiting trail. With the right coach, give them four or five years they can be back on the map. Obviously, great coaches are rare though. I wonder if they could lure Butch Davis away from the Tarheels. I think they need to look at coaches who have proven themselves consistently as college coaches. No more risks. I was more referencing the fact that their team seemed to have lost all control and was trying to attack USC players well after the play. ah, you must be the only person not a fan of a team playing right now to be watching a game other than oklahoma/oklahoma state

they still maintain them somewhat. Do you think Florida, Oklahoma, and other schools maintain any? They dont.

First, hiring Bob Davie. Second, hiring Ty Willingham. Third, hiring Charlie Weis. Fourth, maintaining their academic standards. Really, they're still a force on the recruiting trail. With the right coach, give them four or five years they can be back on the map. Obviously, great coaches are rare though. I wonder if they could lure Butch Davis away from the Tarheels. I think they need to look at coaches who have proven themselves consistently as college coaches. No more risks.

Dez Bryant showed up for once!

If they play this sloppy against a team as good as them they would be down a lot. granted all teams would if they made these mistakes.

You'd think that Bob Stoops would learn how to stop or atleast contain a mobile QB after getting torched by Ell Roberson, Vincent Young, Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Colt McCoy, Pat White, Dennis Dixon and a few others. While he has a great defensive mind, he's never been able to have his defense do well against mobile QBs. It's the book on how to beat his defense. It's no surprise that Okie State has been able to put up more points than Tech did. Jesus Bradford almost got killed.

but I'm not wrong...

It won't happen, but I can't be the only one who would love to see Florida's or Oklahoma's offenses go against USC's defense. That would be a lot of fun. Honestly, I think you have to favor USC in both games.

A couple of things. First, Oklahoma lost by a combined 10 points. LSU lost by a combined 9 points. Georgia lost by a combined 25 points. I am not saying that's relevant....but Texas lost by six points and Tech lost by FORTY FOUR points. LSU was seen as the best team in the nation for a lot of the season. They had been number one awhile. The general feeling is that Texas is better than Texas Tech. The general feeling was that LSU and OU were ahead of Georgia last season, and winning their conference titles vindicated that thought so they moved up. That feeling does not exist this year. OU knocked off then number one Mizzou Big XII title game....Texas Tech is going to playing then number sixteen or seventeen Mizzou...a team that Texas already walloped. Georgia was also #5 in the computers going into the final week. They needed to move up in the computers in order to win. They needed another game to make their cause. Texas is already going to be in the clubhouse with the number one computer ranking. It's a completely different situation here. It's not hard to see the difference. There's no way a win over a 4 loss team is going to move a team who lost by 40 points a few weeks earlier jump 5 spots to get ahead of Texas. If Texas Tech knocked off the #1 team like Oklahoma did, that's another story. If Texas Tech was already widely thought of as the best team in college football, like LSU was, that's another story. Voters know Texas Tech isn't very good. Honestly, if Oklahoma drops a close one tonight to Okie State, don't be surprised if they don't fall below Tech.

No they don't. Um, yes they do. They're number two in the computers right now. Alabama is barely, and I stress barely ahead of them in the computers. If Alabama loses, they will surely fall behind UT in both the polls and the computers. If Alabama beats Florida, then UT is going to stay right where they're at. Granted, and Oklahoma loss will probably move the Gators ahead of the 'Horns initially in the BCS, but one of the two teams will drop next weekend. UT doesn't have to play next season so the only way they get knocked out of the title game is if a one loss Alabama losing to Florida or a one loss USC passes them up next weekend. There's no way USC is going to be able to make a big statement against UCLA and Notre Dame to make up the billion points needed in the polls and there is absolutely no way that they can catch UT in the computers. There's also no way voters are going to put Alabama ahead of UT if Alabama loses the last game. So yes, if Oklahoma State wins tonight, Texas has clinched a BCS title berth. You're forgetting about the team that would play in the Big 12 title game should Oklahoma lose today and, as I posted earlier, what happened last year. Is a win, even a blowout, versus a then four loss Missouri team going to have Texas Tech, who two weeks earlier lost by forty points and the week previously survived against Baylor going to pass USC, Penn State, and Texas? the answer is no. Even if they did pass USC and Penn State, they'd be behind Alabama/Florida winner and Texas in the polls. They'd be behind Texas in the computers. You run the numbers. If Florida/Alabama winner is #1 in the two polls (which they will be), if Texas is #2 in the polls (which they will) and Texas Tech will be #2 in the computers and Texas #1, which is most likely, then BCS: 0.973333333 Alabama/Florida Winner 0.973333333 Texas 0.933333333 Texas Tech That's a perfect case scenario for Tech. Now assume that Texas Tech actually passed Texas in the computers: 0.973333333 Alabama/Florida Winner 0.960000000 Texas 0.946666667 Texas Tech Nevermind that Missouri is probably the favourite in this pot'l matchup with Crab likely out.

I will reiterate, I fully expect this game to be won by OU by two touchdowns and admit Oklahoma is a better football team than the Longhorns.

No they don't. Um, yes they do. They're number two in the computers right now. Alabama is barely, and I stress barely ahead of them in the computers. If Alabama loses, they will surely fall behind UT in both the polls and the computers. If Alabama beats Florida, then UT is going to stay right where they're at. Granted, and Oklahoma loss will probably move the Gators ahead of the 'Horns initially in the BCS, but one of the two teams will drop next weekend. UT doesn't have to play next season so the only way they get knocked out of the title game is if a one loss Alabama losing to Florida or a one loss USC passes them up next weekend. There's no way USC is going to be able to make a big statement against UCLA and Notre Dame to make up the billion points needed in the polls and there is absolutely no way that they can catch UT in the computers. There's also no way voters are going to put Alabama ahead of UT if Alabama loses the last game. So yes, if Oklahoma State wins tonight, Texas has clinched a BCS title berth.

If Okie State can pull off this shocker (which they won't), UT has their ticket punched to the title game, despite not winning the big xii south.