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and with the Ole Miss win Florida moves ahead of Oklahoma. Rk Pts Prv School 1. 83.95 2 Florida 2. 83.80 1 Oklahoma 3. 80.25 4 Southern Cal 4. 80.02 3 Texas 5. 73.34 5 Penn State 6. 72.31 6 Texas Tech 7. 71.47 7 Utah 8. 71.15 9 Alabama 9. 69.79 10 TCU 10. 68.56 8 Ohio State 11. 67.89 12 Missouri 12. 67.51 17 Oregon 13. 67.24 11 Boise St 14. 67.08 16 Georgia 15. 66.41 15 Florida St 16. 66.19 24 Mississippi 17. 65.76 13 Oklahoma St 18. 65.57 19 California 19. 65.06 20 Oregon St 20. 63.00 23 Virginia Tech 21. 62.99 21 Iowa 22. 62.62 26 Nebraska 23. 62.54 14 Georgia Tech 24. 62.06 18 North Carolina 25. 61.16 25 Pittsburgh 26. 60.94 31 Wake Forest 27. 60.50 22 Boston College 28. 60.30 35 Arizona 29. 60.26 33 Kansas 30. 59.97 28 Brigham Young Conferences New - Old 59.85 60.01 Big 12 58.69 59.69 ACC 58.46 56.47 SEC 54.83 52.97 PAC 10 54.38 55.81 Big Ten 53.41 53.30 Big East 50.98 51.13 MWC 41.71 42.56 WAC 41.88 40.70 CUSA 41.39 41.60 IND 40.03 41.92 MAC 34.94 34.13 Sun Belt

Hmmmm what do I know?

Wait a second here... now I KNOW I read this one right. By your numbers, Oregon State is the better team, no? So, how again is the Florida loss better than the USC loss? No. From the description of the system I am posting "If I had a vote, for top 25 including everything, not just how good a team is nor how much they accomplished, but a combination of the two, with the current AP ranks in parentheses." In theory, these rankings are 50% how "good" a team is, and 50% how "deserving" a team is. So it does penalize teams for winning and losing. The method used to figure out how "good" a team is more accurate at predicting games between teams. In theory, over the long haul, (think 100s of games against a variety of opponents) the two would converge. In this method Ole Miss is ranked better and the difference between Ole Miss and Oregon State is about the same as the difference between Ole Miss and Ohio State.

Actually, don't be surprised if both guys go in the first round of the 2010 draft. The last half of the season Sneads been a lot better QB than Sanchez has. He's probably been better than anyone in the country, though not as productive as Timmy Boy and Bradford. Then again, I don't think you've seen him play. Ever.

Thru tonight, again Previous is before all the bowls. Rk Pts Prv School 1. 84.40 1 Oklahoma 2. 83.31 2 Florida 3. 80.48 3 Texas 4. 80.29 4 Southern Cal 5. 75.33 6 Texas Tech 6. 73.34 5 Penn State 7. 71.57 7 Utah 8. 70.51 9 Alabama 9. 69.95 10 TCU 10. 68.56 8 Ohio State 11. 68.27 12 Missouri 12. 67.63 17 Oregon 13. 67.36 11 Boise St 14. 66.67 16 Georgia 15. 66.30 13 Oklahoma St 16. 66.24 15 Florida St 17. 65.62 19 California 18. 65.14 20 Oregon St 19. 63.31 24 Mississippi 20. 63.12 26 Nebraska 21. 62.98 21 Iowa 22. 62.91 23 Virginia Tech 23. 62.28 14 Georgia Tech 24. 61.96 18 North Carolina 25. 61.16 25 Pittsburgh 26. 60.80 33 Kansas 27. 60.62 31 Wake Forest 28. 60.41 35 Arizona 29. 60.34 22 Boston College 30. 60.09 28 Brigham Young Conferences: New - Old 60.57 60.01 Big 12 58.52 59.69 ACC 57.69 56.47 SEC 54.93 52.97 PAC 10 54.39 55.81 Big Ten 53.41 53.30 Big East 51.11 51.13 MWC 41.90 42.56 WAC 41.83 40.70 CUSA 41.37 41.60 IND 40.06 41.92 MAC 34.80 34.13 Sun Belt

defense forcing rate - some skill offense getting forced on - almost completely random, very little skill recovering fumbles - completely random To Hosak. I didn't say fumbles weren't important. They usually mean a lot in the game, but not for other games whereas a good passing performance in a game means a lot for other games, obviously. Ole Miss matches up favorably against Oregon State. The outstanding defensive line of Ole Miss ought to be able to contain their running game and get a lot of pressure like Pitt did yesterday. Jevan Snead's the best passing QB they would have faced.

Except, that, they are. Not completely random, but random enough to treat them as completely random, from the offenses point of view.

well ole miss was in every game they played and outplayed everyone, except Florida really, actually outplayed most of the teams they lost to. just a few big swing plays here and there caused them to lose those games. usually such events are random and don't have much if any predicative value. They lost by 2 points to Wake Forest. They took the lead with a minute remaining, then ended up losing on a field goal as time expired. They also had two costly turnovers, one was a fumble (fumbles are purely random events) and one INT on a trick play which they would have loved to not do. They outplayed Wake, but at the end of the day one high leverage final minute caused them to lose the game. They lost by 3 points to Vanderbilt thanks to six turnovers...they only gave up 200 yards to Vandy and gained nearly 400, but six turnovers will kill a lot of teams. Four of them were picks, not purely random events, BUT Sneads progression as the season continued probably makes those picks not as predicative because he's blossomed as he's gained experience under Nutt. Really they were better than Vandy and are. They lost by a touchdown to South Carolina. Why? Two fumbles, again random events. Both SC and Ole Miss matched each other most of the day. It was a tossup game but the fumbles sealed their fate. They lost by 4 points to Alabama in a game where they were down a lot early, came back and had the ball with three minuts to go down by four before being stopped at midfield on fourth down. They also fumbled the ball while driving big in the fourth quarter at midfield. Now I said fumbles are random and dont have much predicative value, but in these games they had huge fumbles and that's mainly what caused them to go 0-4 instead of 2-2 or 3-1. Ole Miss won their last five games and only had two fumbles the entire time. So really the first half of the season they fumbled the games away and the second half they didn't. Florida actually fumbled the game away against them. In all of their 12 games this season, only once were they visibly outclassed by the opponent. And that was against Florida. Florida killed themselves that game and allowed Ole Miss to pull off the upset. In all of the other games they were either on par with their opponents, including Alabama, or really outplayed them. As of late Snead's developed into one of the best QBs in the conference and probably the country as well. There's no doubt in my mind that they're better than Oregon State. Oregon State on the other hand was absolutely demolished by Oregon and Penn State. They were never in those games. Sure, the Rebels had another loss, but they were never trashed like Oregon State was and that means quite a bit.

Now you're just being blind. As I posted that difference between the conferences was compared to the rankings before all the bowls...and the gap between the SEC and ACC actually shrunk. conference rankings right after the LSU game, direct quote Um, the ACC was down 1.19 and the SEC was up 1.44, the gap went from 3.22 to 0.59. Are you drunk? and you say I can't read...

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and you're converting Florida's game to a road game (which is still a loss) and USC game to a home game (which is a close loss) and trying to use that to make some point about how USC is better than UF. I think you need to stop bleeding orange and think before you post. The two losses are comparable by point differential and Florida lost to a better team, so USC's loss was "worse".

Don't bark at him. I don't think he knows what he's doing.

You're adjusting the point you want to make. You want to "convert" the scenario so that USC wins and Florida loses. The real difference between the performances is like one point. You're trying to make it sound more because of your backwards stupid understanding of the system. The point was never the fact Florida lost at home or USC lost on the road or even debating which loss was "worse". The point was that HFA is something overstated and not nearly as important as most people think. You decided to play around with numbers (wrongly) and try to make a point that doesn't exist. If you want to get cute and technical and play around with numbers, like you are doing, and convert both games to home games for USC and Florida. The home team gets a bonus of 2.9 or so points. So we subtract under 6 points from the point difference of the USC and OSU game. USC still loses as did Florida. Not to mention Mississippi is a better football team than Oregon State. I didn't get "owned". You made a fool of yourself. You completely misinterpreted what was an obvious comment, don't bitch at me and say you owned me. You owned yourself in a way that's not good. Everyone knew what I was saying (but you). Let's read it again: and in this place called reality, home/road is a touchdown swing max. home/road doesn't mean as much as people think. That means the difference between playing home and road is a touchdown max, total. That's a swing on both sides. That means if Team A played at Team B and lost by fourteen, then it's comparable to them playing at home against Team B and only losing by seven. Not exactly a difficult concept.

I am about to go five for five today.

I'm stunned and speechless right now. Really. So that's what it feels like to be owned. I guess...

I'm stunned and speechless right now. Really.

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you are making it a 14 point swing. youre converting USCs game to a home game and UFs to a road. If you put them on a neutral setting it's a 4 point loss for florida and a 3 point loss for USC to a weaker team. therefore your dumb point is even wrong in your world.

and under hosaks bizzaro stupid world, florida still probably gets in the title game. they'd be ahead of oklahoma in the BCS. They wouldnt slip in the computers and oklahoma would, florida would still be ahead in the polls and the difference is probably enough to get them in the title game. either way the way he is thinking is absurdly dumb.

the mere thought you even thought about trying to do that is disturbing. if that games in oxford the gators probably win because theyre the better team. its a completely different game. here guys im going to lay out basically what the great hosak is saying. because we flipped a coin on heads three times out of five in Florida, we are going to flip a coin four times out of five on heads in Oxford. This is EXACTLY what he is saying. Pretty stupid if you asked me.

The Ole Miss dogging has to stop. Ole Miss is a better team than Oregon State and is one of the top twenty teams in the country. They're not chopped liver. I think people are going to be surprised tomorrow afternoon. I don't think they will win, but I think it will be a close game. That being said, Florida and USC are a toss up. Florida lost at home. The Trojans lost on the road. and in this place called reality, home/road is a touchdown swing max. home/road doesn't mean as much as people think.

Let's make a list of some of the main reasons people bitch about the BCS. 1. It didn't pick the top two teams. 2. Someone else beat that team in the game. 3. My team is better than that team in the game. 4. That team lost to some crappy school. Almost all of the reasons that people bitch about the BCS have to do with that persons idea of who the "best" or "better" team is. So why should we replace it with a system that will find the "best" or "better" one less often? It's piss poor logic.

Wonder why your other post was deleted? Hmmm... I know that every system crowns a champion, hence the reason why I have never made an argument for one system over another. I would prefer an 8 team playoff, sure, but I'm not going to argue that it would determine the "best" team any better than any other system. The "best" team is a myth, period. because i hate talking to you for _____________ reason. And no it's not because you're smart, make good points or anything good you may think it is. The best team is a myth? There is always a best team and if you think otherwise you're absolutely a dumbass. We may not be able to completely determine or evaluate who that best team is within a thirteen or fourteen game schedule, but it always exists. It's comments like that that made me delete that post.