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If Neifi is kept strictly as a backup SS and maybe a few games at 2b/3b with the rest of the time at 2b going to Walker/Harriston then I can see upwards of .345-.350. I am not sure we are going to do much better than that at catcher though look at Blanco's career OBP numbers: 2002-.267 2003-.252 2004-.260 2005-.287

How many games has Barrett played in ST now? Is this his 3rd?

Nice and quick, lets keep this up Guzman!!!

PLAYER W L S ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER ------ - - - --- - -- -- --- -- - - -- A Guzman 1 0 0 6.75 2 1 0 0 4.0 4 3 3 So in 5 innings he has given up 5 runs, 5 walks, and has struck out 1..right?

Somebody has to want to be in this rotation. Right now it's Zambrano, Maddux and nobody is stepping up. Angel usually has better control. Yeah he does, pretty dissapointing that he is struggling so much with control. So in 5 innings this ST he has 5 walks, hope he gets a handle on his control.

Great, the last thing I want to see neifi do!!! Is it wrong I am rooting against him doing well and stealing the 2nd base job?

So what you're telling me is that a pitcher with a great ERA, great peripherals, but who does not have a great W-L record is not only not "clutch," but he isn't successful? I don't see the logic. So, if we can we should try to trade for Bartolo Colon over Johan Santana? I mean Colon had 20 wins so he was a "success," Santana only dominates him in every other category but just wasn't as clutch as Colon. Next I'll be hearing how he "doesn't know how to win!!!!!11111" And about how he couldn't rouse his teammates to hit the ball (you know, the other half of winning a game), meaning no one likes him, he's a cancer, he's not clutch, and again...doesn't know how to win or create a winning atmosphere. I love this talk so much. Come on now, your late to the conversation, we have already established that I am an idiot :) People were ripping me because I mentioned his record and they turned around and said it doesnt matter at all, well I do happen to think it does matter...to each their own opinion I guess. haven't read the whole thread, but can't anyone explain the concepts without being a condscending jerk to the new guy? BW we've been told all our lives that wins for pitcher are important and it really seems like it is important, but it really is not. pitchers tend to have alot of wins when they are good pitchers, so it often is a convenient measuring stick, but wins have little to do with how good a pitcher is. same can be said of rbi and runs scored. those are really team stats that only reflect tangentially on the players ability. the best way to see this phenomena is not to look at crappy players having good stats, but to look at how often players who are really good don't have good numbers in these catagories, and that happens all the time. being a Cub fan, you have seen it over and over with the Win totals of Zambrano and Wood, and to a lesser extent, Prior. the most brazen example is Roger Clemens last year. 32 starts of 1.87 ERA, and he only "won" 13 games. on the rbi side, contemplate this. if Derrick Lee batted in the eight hole, and performed the exact same in ave/obp/slg, he probably would have had more rbi than he did in the three hole, because the 1 and 2 hole hitters were on base so rarely. his obp plus slg was probably 200 points above Carlos Lee, but Derrick trailed him in RBI. those rbi totals reflect more on Brady Clark, Corey Patterson, and Neifi Perez than the Lees. Thanks, I dont really mind that they were being "condscending jerks" as you put it, its actually funny when people get really worked up on message boards and I didnt really take it in a negative way from people, just as a way that I can expand my knowledge of the game. So I appreciate you explaining things for me. Its sorta like thinking that the world is flat all of your life and then one day being told its round, its hard to dismiss what you grew up thinking about the game in a day. But I get what you are talking about and where your coming from. Also this is more to other people, I never said that a pitcher who wins 20 games one year (never shown that before, like a fluke) but has an ERA approaching or over 4 is better than someone like Santana or Zambrano (or at-least I never meant to). I meant that you had to factor wins into the equation and that it was the most important fact and carried more weight in the equation than other stats. I no longer think that it is a big factor, but I still think you have to use it as a small factor in evaluating pitchers.

Well it was a pretty well pitched game for big Z and Williamson looked good (sorta lost track of the game a bit after that), but the offense was nowhere to be found for the 2nd straight day.

LOL I think thats about right.

Who's Padgett? Anyways lets get something started here!!!

I could just listen to these two babble on about nothing baseball related all day. :D

thats what i was thinking

ALF is pitching

Well what did walker say then? Can somebody point to an article about it or something. I agree with Jehrico that the media tends to blow things way out of proportion, and that they probably aren't that down on him for something he said.

I think Walker is a solid .350 OBP guy. Hairston could put up a .360-.370 OBP, but is less likely to hit .350 or above than Walker. His defense is better. Hairston has potential to outproduce Walker, but isn't as consistent and is more of a gamble. I'd take a .340 OBP from him with his defense over TWalk. His main problem is he's more injury prone than Walker. I don't think we're in bad shape with either, can't really say I'm leaning one way or the other. May the best man win the ST battle (as long as the best man isn't Neifi, which so far, he isn't even close...) I would be fine with either, but I prefer Walker...not so sure if anybody in the organization does though.

Its suddenly a lot more fun to listen to, isn't it? yeah it is.

LOL, they dont even have a clue who is playing in the game anymore.

Yeah he needs this year in the minors, but starting in 2007 might be a bit of a push. Hopefully he comes out great this year and gets the chance next year.

what has walker said? havent really been following the team much this year so far.

I didnt even know he was up with the team this spring.

Ummm, you might just be.

Williamson thanks

How can you say college bball is boring??? Pro yeah I could see that, but college is fun.

3 up 3 down, who was pitching? whoever it was did a good job.

ya lost me, are you talking about Illinios