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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/sports/baseball/19chass.html?_r=1&oref=slogin Right, but that doesnt mean he didnt strain (or tear) fibers in his subscapularis, which wouldnt be ligament damage or a torn labrum.

Well a sprain is irrelevant to the conversation, as that deals with ligaments and not muscles. They said it was a "moderate strain". I've only taken a few 200 level anatomy and physiology classes so I'm no where near qualified enough to assess exactly what the means. From my knowledge, however, a strain is typically when muscle fibers are torn. It can also refer to just an overstretching/overworking of the muslce. So saying its a moderate strain, to me, means that he probably partially tore the muslce, meaning that he tore some of the muscle fibers. If you could find something about the difference between calling something a strained muscle as opposed to a torn muscle, that would be helpful. A pulled muscle is called a muscle strain. (Here’s a little known fact: a wrenched ligament is always called a sprain, whereas a torn muscle is always called a strain.) Although there may be other factors that make you vulnerable, the immediate cause of every muscle strain is traumatic stretching and tearing of the tissue, often due to the force of your own muscular contraction. The more the muscle is torn, the worse the strain from that I gather they are the same thing. I am pretty confused though :)

ok here is something I found at: http://pa.slu.edu/pdf/sportsmedcsd.pdf 2. Difference is Strains and Sprains: A strain is when you "pull" a muscle and a sprain is when you damage a ligament. The classification of Strains and Sprains is a follows: • First degree: a few fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn and loss of function is mild • Second degree: roughly half of the fibers of the ligament/ muscle are torn loss of function is moderate to severe • Third degree: all or most of the fibers of the ligament/ muscleare torn and loss of function is severe So if this is a strain then it is not a tear and not near as serious, just a pulled muscle. am I reading that correct?

That is true and it is pure speculation that he actually tore the muscle. However, if he really did tear it, calling it a "moderate strain" is not incorrect. It sounds better than saying he tore it, but it can mean the same thing. Right its just a different way to not say tear, which would stike fear into the fans.

I believe a strain isn't exactly a tear of the muscle. It can just be an overstretching of the muscle, without an actual tear. However, a strain can also be used to describe a tear. Subscapularis, as someone else pointed out, is indeed part of the "roator cuff" muscles. Subscapularis is the muscle on the anterior side of the scapula. So pretty much it all depends on what they consider a "moderate strain". My guess, not that it means much, is that he partially tore his subscapularis muscle. I personally think that if he can pitch but is having pretty bad pain then it is a grade 1 tear (from what I understand of tears), as the article I posted said he would have significant loss of range in motion if it was a grade 2 tear.

are they bringing out the tarp??? Rain Delay:(

what? I dont know I am a little tired :)

all right two out rally???

LOL, that is sad.

Lets go Korea!!!!!!!!!!

I see... Two guys on the same team. [-X How could we forget Felix Heredia was suspended? Now we know his stellar 4.42 career era was tainted. :)

5-0 Japan is laying it on now!!! They have batted through the order too.

Poor Korea, I was rooting for them! 4-0 now.

so if I understand that correctly then it is a grade 2 tear of the rotator cuff. Not sure if I am interperting that right, but make your own conclusion. Found it here http://www.youcanbefit.com/shoul.html

The rotator cuff is a group of four muscles (supraspinatus, infraspinatus, teres minor, subscapularis) which rotate the humerus and hold the shoulder in place by keeping the humeral head in the proper position inside the glenoid socket. These muscles allow everyday repetitive motions like scratching behind your head or back, painting, waxing, using hand tools, reaching, and lifting overhead. They are used extensively in athletic activities like throwing a ball, serving a tennis ball and driving a golf ball. Thus, chronic wear and tear or a fall or collision can cause injury to the rotator cuff. It is not uncommon for a patient to have intermittent shoulder pain for several years which is not completely relieved by rest and anti-inflammatory medication. Symptoms may include pain in the front, side, back or deep inside the shoulder especially with overhead movements. Putting on a bra, shirt or coat may be painful. To properly diagnosis a rotator cuff injury a complete examination of the shoulder and neck must be done. Injury to the rotator cuff comes in the form of muscle strain and tendonitis. There are three grades of strains. Grade I is a mild tear in the moderate tear which hinders range of motion with mild to moderate pain. Grade II is a moderate tear with a significant loss of range of motion with moderate to severe pain. Grade III is a severe or complete tear of the muscle which severely limits muscle which allows complete or almost complete range of motion with little or no pain. Tendonitis is an inflammation and fraying of the tendon (area where the muscle attaches to the bone). found this on a website, dont know how to qoute it to the website though.

remember that one as well, dont recall the Rockies pitcher.

well that came back to haunt him 3-0

lol, no place for that in a tight game to decide who plays in the championship.

lol drills the next guy in retaliation...smart move in a situation like this.

2-0 Japan on a blast to right field

Yeah, I know this is being discussed in another thread. I think it has more to do with allowing Maddux to open at Wrigley against STL. I don't think Dusty views him as a number 2 pitcher. I would hope not, but you never know with Dusty. Saving Maddux for the Wrigley opener is probably a smart move though. It will allow Maddux (Williams) and Zambrano to pitch against the Cardinals instead of Rusch, Williams, and Zambrano Yeah I agree with that strategy then. We should be able to beat the Reds despite Rusch.

Yeah, which is a bit of a suprise, but it is much easier to indentify hitters who all of a sudden have seen huge drops in production the last year or two. Has there been a pitcher caught yet?? I assume you mean caught by MLB... a couple of pitchers but I only remember Juan Rincon's name. Edit: Rafael Betancourt was also caught. Yeah thats what I meant. I should have remembered that, I had Rincon on one of my fantasy teams last year when it happened. :oops:

Wow, some good pitching tonight. Come on Korea!!!!

where are they playing?

I must've missed something... why do you say that? Nothing happened. Grissom was 1 for 3. I just thinks he wants Grissom elimated from making the team... yeah. i may be wrong, but i think there are a few that would be more productive and deserve it over grissom. Grissom needs to learn when to let go, he is barely effective anymore and is just holding a roster spot hostage from a young guy trying to break through to the pros. I mean isnt it enough that he was at one time a good established pro but now he had to accept a non-invite st roster spot??? Then again I would probably try to hang on to long as well, cant beat getting up everyday and playing some baseball...but still!