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Yeah he was playing on the track.

I miss DLee!!!

I think they are just going to leave him in their today, you dont want to go into game 2 with a guy making his big league debut and no pen. Unless of course he cant get his pitch count under control. His pitch count is already at 38 so they won't be able to leave him in too long if the game continues this way. Wow, didn't know it was quite that high.

Wasn't Mateo???

I think they are just going to leave him in their today, you dont want to go into game 2 with a guy making his big league debut and no pen. Unless of course he cant get his pitch count under control.

I dont think they will be trading for Walker because they seem to really like Lopez. They also added Broussard as their DH, so I dont think they really have a big need for Walker. I personally would love to see Walker come out here to Seattle so I could see him play in person, but I would doubt it happening.

Sosa's getting knocked of because he was on the roids, which IMO is deserved. As for Santo, I could name quite a few other players more deserving.

First of all I didnt really pay much attention to the whole Ozzie thing (was on vacation), but if he said "Marrioti is a [expletive]" instead of gay, then that is a whole different thing. I was under the impression he said gay and I was arguing that saying something like that doesnt automaticly make you a biggot (its common slang nowdays), but like I said "[expletive]" is something completely different. Referring to something as "gay" in the manner you referred to isn't common slang except with junior high kids. It is bigoted because it derives it's usuage from the implication that being gay is a negative. It's still offensive. I never said I still use it in that context, I did when I was like 14, but I was just pointing out that most people have said something like that in their life. Again this whole discussion was changed because I didnt understand the original context of what Ozzie said, which is very hateful. Anyways we should probably get back to talking baseball and leave these type of discussions for different boards.

Wow, that is completely different then what I thought he said and obviously filled with hatred towards gay people.

I appologize, I never knew he used "[expletive]" and that is a hateful comment, and I wouldnt tolerate it. The word "gay" is not a hate word and that was what I was arguing. I just got the context of the original message messed up so once again I appologize if I was giving the wrong impression.

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First of all I didnt really pay much attention to the whole Ozzie thing (was on vacation), but if he said "Marrioti is a [expletive]" instead of gay, then that is a whole different thing. I was under the impression he said gay and I was arguing that saying something like that doesnt automaticly make you a biggot (its common slang nowdays), but like I said "[expletive]" is something completely different.

How is what he said in the least bit offensive??? Were you offended? Did it make you sad? Did it make you cry? People really need to get off the whole politicly correct kick and grow up!!! Anything and everything is offensive anymore. I am courious if you have ever said; "that is gay", or "dont be gay", or "so and so is gay". If not then I would say you are big time in the minority. Hell, my wife has a gay uncle who says stuff like that, so is he a bigot? Now if I was to say something outrageous like "I think all Gay people should die and go to hell like they deserve" then that would be offensive and I would be a biggot....but for just saying Jay Mariotti is gay, come on now :roll: You are really stretching it to say he thinks of all gay people as lesser men in that context, its a commonly used phrase to insult or put someone down. Sorry for the rant, but I just cant stand all these PC people.

I know you need a blend, but I am saying what I value more at each spot. I am not saying this guy should be SLG or this guy should be OBP and that is it. As for Pierre, he did hurt this team the first two months of the year, but look at his numbers since June. .327 Avg .375 OBP .435 SLG .810 OPS I would say he has been GREAT since June! If you just look at his overall numbers, then yeah he is a really bad fit (he was brutal in April and May), but look at the splits. If he can keep this up to a certain extent then I would welcome him back next year.

Yes, thank you! That is what I am trying to get across, guys who have decent to good OBP and have very good SLG are ideal 4-5 hitters, I wasnt trying to say someone like Soriano who has a below average OBP. Soriano is sort of an interesting case, where would you bat him in a lineup? I would more than likely steer clear of him in the first place, but if we had him I would go 6, even though it is against my ideal lineup. I would say the 7 and 8 hitters aren't great, so I am not as concerened with his OBP as I would be if he was was batting top 5.

As a general rule, yes OBP is greater than SLG, but that is not always the case. Here is how I view the greater need in a lineup. 1. OBP- is the obvious choice here 2. OBP- these two are the table setters and need to get on-base 3. You need a balance here, I would say they are equally important here. 4. SLG- is going to win out here, ideally you have both, but if I had to choose its SLG. 5. SLG- same as 4, these should be your big power guys (Carlos Lee and ARAM would be a good example at 4 or 5) 6. OBP- you still want a guy with pop here, but OBP is more important 7. OBP- 7-8 are probably not going to be great hitters, but I would rather have someone get on-base to extend the inning. 8. OBP- want this guy to get OB so the pitcher bats and extend the inning 9. pitcher- just hope they do something! I just don't agree. I want OBP at every position. I don't want a guy hitting 4th or 5th with a .600 SLG and a .300 OBP. He's still going to kill innings. As I've said many times in this thread, I'm not saying ignore SLG, I think it's a hugely important stat. But if I'm deciding between a .380/.550 guy and a .300/.620 guy for the 4/5 spots (or anywhere else), I'll take the former. Give me OBP at every position and then put the better SLG at 3, 4, 5. I can't imagine SLG being equally important to OBP at the 3 spot. If you have two great table setters and then your #3 guy gets out more than 70% of the time, you're killing a lot of chances to score runs. #3 should be your best hitter, which is a combination of both. But OBP is still more important. I was sorta misunderstood I guess, I am not saying I want just SLG guys at 4-5. As I stated in my post ideally you have a combo of both at 4 and 5, but since when do we live in an ideal world? This is the Cubs! :D As for the #3, I was trying to say you want both in the form of someone like DLee who is great in both categories, notice I didnt but CLee or ARam there. Yes give me a team with great OBP and a couple of guys who couple with a very good OPS, but does that team exsist?

Maybe I am in the minority, but I dont miss CPatt that much at all. He had an insane May by his standards (.357 OBP) otherwise he has been nothing short of bad. Season stats (minus May) .261 Avg .290 OBP .369 SLG .654 OPS I miss Nomar the most!

As a general rule, yes OBP is greater than SLG, but that is not always the case. Here is how I view the greater need in a lineup. 1. OBP- is the obvious choice here 2. OBP- these two are the table setters and need to get on-base 3. You need a balance here, I would say they are equally important here. 4. SLG- is going to win out here, ideally you have both, but if I had to choose its SLG. 5. SLG- same as 4, these should be your big power guys (Carlos Lee and ARAM would be a good example at 4 or 5) 6. OBP- you still want a guy with pop here, but OBP is more important 7. OBP- 7-8 are probably not going to be great hitters, but I would rather have someone get on-base to extend the inning. 8. OBP- want this guy to get OB so the pitcher bats and extend the inning 9. pitcher- just hope they do something!

He'll get a total of $4.25 million this year, and he signed an extension in March which will pay him $5.5 million in 07 and 08. With a bargain contract like that, no way the M's move him. I'm living in the Seattle area right now, and I have had the pleasure of watching this guy play on numerous occasions. First of all, I do have to say it was a joke that he didnt make the All Star game, but not much sense in arguing that point since it wont really do any good. Secondly, Ibanez is playing out of his a** right now (in terms of power), he has always been a solid hitter, but I just find it hard to believe that at 34 he has found his power stroke. I hope he has, but I am thinking his big boost in power is more of an abberation then anything else. His slugging the previous thee years is at .454 and he is slugging .534 this year. Who knows though, still for that price he would be a VAST improvement over any OF in the cubs organization. With all that said, we have about 0% chance of trading for him.

1. Berra 2. Bench 3. Dickey 4. Cochrane 5. Pizza 6. Hartnett 7. Fisk 8. Campanella 9. I-Rod 10. Carter

C: Joe Mauer 1B: D Lee 2B: Dan Uggla (love the name) 3B: A-Ram SS: Jose Reyes OF: Ichiro (my favorite player in the game) OF: Carl Crawford OF: Grady Sizemore SP: Johan Santana SP: Francisco Liriano SP: Carlos Zambrano SP: Jared Weaver (from the little I have seen of him) SP: Mark Prior

Yep they do have to miss the whole entire season (to the fullest extent of my knowledge). What if a player goes down right now and is gone for the season though?

Let it all out man, but I doubt there is any thing we can do:( Also as much as we all want to let out a cussing tirade against this team, try to keep it in good taste for all the young ones reading this.

man its been a week full of people making terrible mistakes. He was doing 51 in a 30 and blew a 0.11 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2487380 The rays have been having some trouble with their top prospects this year!

SKOL Vikings!! Ok now that I got that out of my system, are they already starting it? Or are you just saying what you've seen of the pics?