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That's the worst a 23-year old Cedeno would give you. What's the worst a 25-year old Theriot would give you? Do you feel that if Theriot had played a full season at shortstop in 2005, that his numbers would have been worse than the numbers he put up in 2007? not really. he was polished in 2005; he probably would've given the same blah production that he gave last year. at this point i am just sort of hoping that theriot completely craps the bed for the next month and we can see what happens with cedeno. I disagree, but let's go back further. A 23-year old Theriot OPSd .671 at lansing and .621 in West Tenn. You think that a 25-year old Theriot would have OPSd the same (.672) in the majors. That's an improvement, no? Why isn't Cedeno capable of an improvement from his age 23 to age 25 seasons? This is what I'm talking about when I say "sticking to an irrational point for the hell of it".

That's the worst a 23-year old Cedeno would give you. What's the worst a 25-year old Theriot would give you? Do you feel that if Theriot had played a full season at shortstop in 2005, that his numbers would have been worse than the numbers he put up in 2007?

This is a pretty great post, TT. except that if you take out any player's best month, his numbers are likely to not look so hot. Take out Lee's april last year (.392/.468/.567) and he still hit 302.379/.502

Ouch. That cannot feel good. Ugh, I always get squeamish about knee injuries. Kneecap injuries sound painful. Never hurt my knee, but I cannot watch ankle injuries. I'm the same way. Sometimes I picture myself rolling my ankle and my body involuntarily jumps. Yeah, I'm that way with knee injuries. I'm not clicking that link no matter what. I was going to just post it in the thread, but I realized a lot of people would rather not see something like that. Derwood's description is right, though. Where there should be a knee cap, all you see is a deep crater. I've never seen anything like it. I can't decide if its worse than Shaun Livingston's ET knee from last year or not

Braun's such a good athlete that I would be shocked if he doesn't learn to play an adequate leftfield. But either way, Laporta is going to be ready soon, and that leaves two spots (left and first) for three people. Someone is going to have to go.

Today's game was a perfect example of the stupid overreaction of some people to four games. All it took was one game for Derrek Lee to up his average to .364 and his OPS to 1.091. Soriano and Ramirez are a hot week away from respectability. Everyone needs to chill.

Wood's stuff is filthy today

Awesome. Unfortunately Pie will never get off the bench, now.

Theriot whiffs weakly and Cedeno singles to RC, signs of things to come plzplplzplzpzlz

He had some nice backdoor (thats what she said) movement on a couple of pitches, he just kept getting himself in trouble by falling behind in counts. I think that when he does that, he straightens out his fastball and gets hammered.

lol, somebody left their account logged on in a public place

How in the world did neither Bourn nor Pence get to that ball? Calling Soto 2-run homer

Wow, you weren't kidding.

any improvement in theriot's numbers at this point is going to be due to luck on balls in play or steroids. he is who he is

This is a prime example of why people should shut the F up about players "not showing up" four games into a season. Lee is 2-for-2 today, and his average is now .300. Two hits is all it took.

matt fontenot for lebron james

how in the hell do you only accumulate 975 abs in 7 years? Im stumped.

ryan theriot for the orioles 2009 first round draft pick and the rights to matt weiters

Dude, you're taking this too personally. No one is saying "That bastard Theriot, not only is he terrible, but he's got a chokehold on the No. 1/No. 2 spots in the lineup!" When someone points out that it sucks that our worst hitter is going to get a ton of at-bats, they aren't blaming Theriot for that fact, they're just pointing it out. Take a breath.

this really sucks for me because i bet my friend a million dollars that lee, ramirez and soriano wouldn't have four bad games all year.

I can go along with that. I just think that Theriot is also completely worthless, and if we're looking at a worst case scenario of a 1.5 win difference, I'd like to roll the dice with Cedeno.

Ouch. That cannot feel good. Ugh, I always get squeamish about knee injuries. Kneecap injuries sound painful. Never hurt my knee, but I cannot watch ankle injuries. I'm the same way. Sometimes I picture myself rolling my ankle and my body involuntarily jumps.

That's out there. aramis' had a poor season when he was a full 365 days younger than cedeno. time to write ronny off aramis also cut his strikeout rate in half from his age 20 big league debut, and had a .700 OPS, not .610. i cant tell if you really don't think Cedeno could ever possibly be a decent option or if you just are sticking with an irrational point for the hell of it i like how it's an irrational point yet there have been very few examples provided of guys who completely sucked for a whole year at age 23 and turned into better than better than average big league players. it's also fun to bash points as being "irrational" without providing much evidence to support this. i don't think i'm the only person on this board who thinks cedeno will not be a good option, and i don't think that most of the people who are anti-cedeno feel that way because we are in love with ryan theriot's grit and hard work. Saying that you don't think that Cedeno will ever be average or above average or whatever isn't irrational. But saying that he will never be good and then using faulty examples is irrational. All he has to do to is be a better option than Ryan Theriot. That's it. And saying, "well look how good Jose Reyes was when he was 23" doesn't do anything to prove that he can't be a better option than Theriot. That being said, I don't care one way or the other whether or not it's Cedeno or Theriot in the starting lineup. I just have a problem with people claiming absolutes when they have no clue what they're talking about.

That's out there. aramis' had a poor season when he was a full 365 days younger than cedeno. time to write ronny off aramis also cut his strikeout rate in half from his age 20 big league debut, and had a .700 OPS, not .610. i cant tell if you really don't think Cedeno could ever possibly be a decent option or if you just are sticking with an irrational point for the hell of it

That's out there. aramis' had a poor season when he was a full 365 days younger than cedeno. time to write ronny off