imb

way to go 1. Texas (.9979) 2. Alabama (.9487) 3. Penn State (.8666) 4. Oklahoma (.8319) 5. USC 6. Oklahoma State 7. Georgia 8. Texas Tech 9. Ohio State 10. Florida

he cracks me up in the open field. he runs like a d-lineman doing a 4.6

GO OKLAHOMA STATE UGH

best player was MY DEFENSE i turned things around and made it to the championship (LOST BY 2 POINTS), but still, that's just awful

My team is doing nothing this week. So far I've had Brees, Ronnie Brown, LT, Hester, and Minnesota's D play. Plus I left McGahee on the bench. That's just awful. don't feel bad. i got killed by byes one week last year, this was my TOTAL for the week. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/madhops_42/historicallybad.jpg

dallas is getting raped, that's bad steven jackson and marion barber have combined to get me over 40 points, that's good

DOWNSIDE: dallas is getting embarrassed UPSIDE: steven jackson and marion barber have combined for over 40 points

hahah, we're down 21-7, meaning we have to pass, meaning we're screwed because brad johnson's corpse is at QB this is pretty much worst case scenario

oh my god st louis is going to knock off washington and dallas in back to back weeks

I'll do it as soon as you explain to me all aobut how VORP is formulated and how home/road splits are taken into account. Until you can do that, you really shouldn't be using it as your only crutch to an argument. "Oh wait...if you were able to do that it would have been done a week ago". Oh, you can't do that? Now I remember why the conversation ended. I'm not doubting VORP, but to use it so much in an argument when you really know very little about it is pretty ridiculous. Very ridiculous actually. These crazy kids who just found out about sabermetrics... By the way, I do think that he should be in the top 10 of the MVP voting after looking at the mediocrity of AL hitters this season. It seemed like there were more standout seasons in the AL this year. That said, I still think his good season was highly overrated/exxaggerated and he wouldn't be getting the same kind of treatment and love if it wasn't for his story and the fact that he's likable. I just checked over this thread and realized how very little you added to the argument. Your first post was an inspired "what's wrong with you?" and then once other people made their arguments you just piggy backed them. Then you dropped the "well he was 5th in VORP" bombshell (after someone had already posted it of course) and that was pretty much your contribution to the argument. Why do I get the feeling that you just started watching baseball a couple years ago and wouldn't watch at all if it weren't for the Cubs? Why do I get the feeling that you were just recently introduced to about 5 different stats that are common among Sabr people? You remind me of the kid who hides behind his older brother in a fight and then after he knocks the other kid down you jump out and yell "yeah...suck it!". Wait, wasn't that actually a quote from you earlier in this thread? <3 VORP. I know nothing about it........ but it's so badass. Well, you couldn't be more wrong about your assumptions about me but we'll skip those real quick. I guess you're not going to let that VORP thing go, even though it was explained earlier that they don't release the equation for their own stat. I guess at the very least I can try to help you understand what it does. You multiply the league's average of runs/out by the players' outs, then multiply that number by whatever the established replacement level number is for that position (if i remember right). Then you subtract that number from whoever's (in this case josh hamilton) number of runs created. Then, and here comes the faith part, you normalize it by park factors. Now, I suppose it's possible that BP said "look, I know we've been using this stat for years now, with no one but meatheaded sports writers complaining about it, but let's give josh hamilton a break here, after all what a great story," and just gave him a few extra points or something. Or maybe they put in all the numbers and their nerdy computers spit out "No. 5 Josh Hamilton." I mean, 4th in the A.L. in runs created, 5th in win shares, 5th in VORP... there are problems with each stat, but if you are showing up that high in each one, only an idiot would argue that he doesn't belong in the... oh, that wasn't so hard was it. See how neat it is when you actually take the time to research an opinion instead of just erroneously flying off the handle? this was fun, i feel like you learned something today. It's funny, i've added "so little to the debate", when you're entire stance was that he wasn't a top 10 mvp candidate because of home/road splits. Oh, and that "everyone else on the board worships him" or whatever, when all anyone did was say he belonged on a list of 10 players for MVP.. oh my god you've become everything that you hate

SNAKE PLISSKEN

oh wait, if you were able to do that it would have been done a week ago

ok, please explain how a CF that finished fifth in the league in VORP and had a 136 ops+ did not have one of the top 10 seasons in the majors because of his home/road splits we're waiting

you saw a bunch of people correct him with things you didn't understand because they don't match up to what you believed so you discarded them. it happens

anyone see the tulsa score? 77-35, 7 minutes left

will you jerks quit being such pity fans

Damn tulsa has a crazy offense and an easy schedule they have as good a chance as anyone to run the table Dear God the offenses in the state of Oklahoma are insane. All of them average 40+ points a game. All of them have QBs in the top 5 in the nation in passing efficiency. score was 49-28 at halftime lol

17-14 Kentucky 24-20 Ole Miss Beating Clemson is not impressive. They're 3-4. Alabama beat Clemson when they were the 9th in the nation. This revisionalist argument has got to stop. You can't fault Alabama for Clemson for sucking after that game. As for Kentucky and Ole Miss this two teams are very good, on the rise SEC teams that have really good defenses. This teams can beat any team in football. Kentucky and Ole Miss are quality oppenents that Alabama has beaten, and by the end of the yr BOTH will be playing in good size bowl games. i almost feel like printing this post out just so i can read it every day for a good laugh what terrible logic (not to mention english)

I agree dew. Most people who don't follow Alabama or the SEC don't realize how good Alabama can be. While they are not a complete team yet, they have talent and the coaching to beat ANY TEAM in America. The feeling I get as to why Alabama's offense is "vanilla" right now, if because Jim McElwing (however your spell his name) is still trying to figure out the strengths and weakness of the team. Right now Alabama strength is running the ball. It would be a mistake of any team to underestimate Alabama. Clemson and Georgia both did, and they paid dearly. And if fans of teams like Texas/USC/OSU think Alabama would be an easy game they would be mistaken. Alabama is a legit top 5 team who can beat any team in America. alabama's offense is vanilla because it's quarterback sucks

The biggest benefit would be to get out of Soriano's contract and the ability to sign a LF that could be just as if not more productive. I won't argue that Drew is better than Soriano. But Drew's contract is a better contract. The Cubs could use the savings to improve the line-up. But it would be throwing money away when Drew spends half the year on the DL. His games played the last 4 seasons have been 72, 140, 146, 109. If he could stay healthy, he'd be one of the premier players in the game. However, that's a big if. All that talent does you no good if it's sitting on the bench injured. meanwhile Soriano has been in perfect health the last two years

Texas couldn't rape Oklahoma....what makes you think they could Alabama? Alabama plays this thing call defense, something Texas hasn't seen all yr. Texas severely outclasses Alabama. alabama wouldn't break double figures against texas without a pick-six

texas would rape alabama like a drunk woman in the military

Damn tulsa has a crazy offense and an easy schedule they have as good a chance as anyone to run the table

well, missouri just hasn't done anything right

our defense is miserable whoever has the ball last /doesn't turn it over is going to win