I think the idea of a manager being good or bad based on the team he is managing doesn't hold water. If the argument is that Dusty is not a bad manager with a more veteran team, one that requires less oversight and allows for more consistent line-ups and pitching substitutions, then I'd counter that a monkey could do the same thing. Being an effective manager means, to me, that the person is adaptable. That adaptability shouldn't be a stretch as it ought to be based on the fact that you are playing the best players to win and putting the club in the best position to succeed. Those goals should be constants, regardless of the make-up of the team. When you argue that Dusty just doesn't have the right team, it seems like you are bending over backwards to find positives for him. Not everyone is placed in the ideal situation for their employment. As such, you are measured by what you do with what you have. Admittedly, I didn't follow the 2002 Giants that closely (being a Cub fan). I did watch the playoffs with particular interest because of the rampant speculation that Baker would be the next Cub manager. Based on what I saw, if he managed the entire season like he did the post season, I would still argue that Baker was a detriment to that team. Thus, the idea that he flourished due to a more veteran team doesn't resonate with me. I am harsher on Baker than most. I recognize that. I don't like his decision making, excuse making, feeble explanations, self promotion, oversensitivity, pouting, etc. However, I have tried to be open minded about him as a manager. Alas, I always come to the same conclusions: that his 2002 and 2003 teams succeeded in spite of Dusty, not because of him.