what a joke of a response. the fact remains that he has dropped significantly on everyone's lists and has a LOOOONG way to go. in short, carlwell is a project. what are you talking about? i repeat, he played on the best illini team in history as a freshman. i can see the conversation now: lou: "sorry nick, i know you're averaging 20 points and are the heart of this team, but we're going to sit you so that marcus won't be a flop in the eyes of illiniguy". nick: "okay coach, anything for illiniguy's perception of marcus. i understand that his criteria for being a flop precludes you from starting me." this is one of the most ridiculous phrases that i've ever seen on this board. the illini lost the game because nobody blocked out sean higgins, period. whatever, he gave his time to the illini, he got out at the beginning of the sanctions. i can't fault him. maybe if he had gone to syracuse he could have sat behind derrick coleman while the flyin' illini came back to beat them in the regional final, i really don't care. he had a great sophomore season and he rode that to a lot of money. are you kidding me? HRF couldn't spell cat either, half the kids who you think of as illinois heroes were boxes of rocks, that doesn't separate them from marcus at all. luther head choked his girlfriend because she wouldn't watch roots with him, yet i think of his him as possibly a top 3 all-time player in illinois history. we won't even mention the incident with the open dorm room. heh, "master of everything illinois"? no, i just know more than you, which isn't hard. On whose list has Carlwell fallen exactly? He ranks around where the great Jon Scheyer is on rivals.com???? I don't think he has gone anywhere on anyone's "list" not that lists matter much EDIT: Carlwell is actually significantly higher than Scheyer on rivals.com rankings