Quite you, this board is no place for talk like this. Seriously, the hypocrisy on this board is amazing. People complain Dusty refuses to play rookies over veterans just because they are rookies. The very same posters will start whining to play the rookies for no other reason than they are rookies. It's a never ending circle, "insert name of the the flavor of the month rookie can't be any worse than insert name of middle of the road veteran and Dusty refuses to play them." Then when the rookie (Dubois, Hill, Cruz, whomever) proves he isn't any better, it's on to the next fad. Baker is also horrible in handling players. Who knows how different Cruz/Hill/Dubois (your examples) would of done if their manager had had confidence in them and given them some steady playing time? Instead he jerked them around and ruined their confidence. What was Dubois supposed to think when in the first month or two he got zero playing time despite hitting well, while Hollandsworth played (horribly) simply because of the old boys ideology Baker loves? Obviously seeing that is going to have an effect on Dubois' psyche. Then when he finally gets his chance to play and starts to struggle for the first time in his MLB career, he stops getting playing time. Is that supposed too build the confidence needed to play in the top league in the world? Baker is great at ruining the confidence of young players. Dubois was not stupid. He saw that Hollandsworth played horribly and still played. He saw that when he played poorly he would not play. The same thing is happening with Perez ( a veteran, but one who has done nothing special at all in his career) and Cedeno. Baker sets the rookies up to fail, then people like you come along and say they failed simply because they don't have the skills or were not good enough. Skills aren't everything (look at guys on the cubs recently - Hawkins, Wood...) when it comes to succeeding in baseball.