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  1. Same here. at least we were sort of right on one of them. also the weird thing is i have like no recollection of urlacher's rookie year at all. you'd think i'd remember something from a game, but my earliest specific urlacher memory is the fumble return against atlanta. Well, sure, 2001 was great. Granted, 2002 sucked just as much as 2000 for the Bears, but it's cooler to think Urlacher ushered in a season of awesomeness. I remember being like Cubbie Swagger towards Brand when the Bulls clashed with Curry over the heart issue. So, so pissed.
  2. um have you ever been here? Spend 5 minutes in Des Moines in July and then run a marathon in Seattle today and compare the sweat stains after each. Seattle is humid in the winter. It's dry in the summer. Who gives a horsefeathers about Des Moines? Sounds like a horsefeathers hole. But I was wrong, Seattle: http://komonews.com/weather/scotts-weather-blog/seattle-really-one-of-the-most-humid-cities-in-the-us-you-bet-12-20-2015 Apparently they have a special type of humidity that doesn't suck. I just saw those humidity percentages on the weather reports and cringed.
  3. Not so fun fact... If Jay Williams weren't such an irresponsible idiot he'd have had a career and the Bulls would've had Wade much much sooner and maybe even a ring or two. Yeah, this one isn't the Bulls' fault, obviously, but it just was the terrible cherry on top of a bleak, bleak era.
  4. Well, at the time they were in love with Curry: the High School Phenom, not the Curry we ended up seeing for most of his NBA career. I remember leading into the draft Curry was talked about along those lines; Brand wasn't a statue or anything, but he was kind a slab of beef out there speed and agility-wise.
  5. Other fun fact: they were so bad after trading Brand that that lead to to the #2 pick in 2002, who was Jay Williams. Whoops.
  6. Well, the big thing at the time was that they wanted to get "more athletic," and they loved Chandler and Curry along those lines. Basically they were making room for Curry, and pre-injuries Brand wasn't exactly the kind of guy anyone was going to call "athletic" a la the Bulls' plan. Either way, all the Clippers ended up doing with Brand is what the Bulls would have done with him; basically pay big money to a second or third option guy who basically would act as a Band-Aid on a head wound. I have zero confidence the Bulls at that time would have made the moves to actually maximize having him. Fun fact: Pao Gasol was still on the board when Chandler was picked.
  7. Again, the Bulls were wretchedly horrible then; presumably the thinking was two players would go further to improving the team than one. They presumably also realized that based on how bad they were it was going to take some time to improve, and getting two players who would be cheaper longer than one player who was going to cost a ton sooner would give them more of an ability to rebuild the team, even if it was just an extra season or two. Picking up Chandler was a good move....picking up Brian Skinner was a terrible move. But the general move of trading Brand at that time, I see the reasoning.
  8. TT clearly biased due to skinniness and today's beautiful weather: https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Seattle+WA+USWA0395:1:US Poor sweaty Vogelbach.
  9. No one cares about humidity when it's between 40 and 80 degrees 360 days a year. Fat man says FALSE.
  10. Man, Seattle is humid as horsefeathers; humidity is NOT a fat man's friend.
  11. I brought up Horace Grant because he and Brand aren't that far off in value, whether you compare 6 years, 8 years, or career. It was simply pointing out you were overvaluing Brand in bemoaning that the Bulls traded him. I agree, however, that the return could have been better, but the actual decision made sense.
  12. For everyone that realizes that Vogelbach is a fat DH who has only shown power once he got to the Pacific Coast League, a big, youngish lefty arm that was once one of the top pitching prospects in baseball, that can flip back and forth from the pen and start maybe, with tons of years of control left... it's a nice return. Hell yeah. Really liking this move. Someone check on sulley.
  13. I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand, Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things, The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains: round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away.
  14. I'm looking at the rosters for those early 2000's Bulls teams and it's probably the closest I'll ever get to 'Nam flashbacks.
  15. No, they remain not far off in value. The point that people have made is that ultimately you're overvaluing Brand's value/ability to drag up those terrible, terrible Bulls teams; they were THAT bad, and he simply wasn't good enough to drag up a stank-ass high enough, like we saw when he was with the Clippers. You're not going to find many people who think the parts in the trade itself were the right ones, but the decision to trade him at the time wasn't this terrible mistake. I'm assuming their logic was thinking that they were getting to improve in the longer run via two players instead of paying a ton for one, though Lord knows why they thought Brian Skinner would help anything.
  16. Eh, I don't think "before he suffered major injury" is arbitrary It is in terms of this hypothetical "what if the Bulls kept him" scenario. Plus Grant had a 7 of 8 season stretch of putting comparable value, but I can't count 2 of them because he had a down year? The dude put up a close enough value, both over a career and in a similar career stretch.
  17. Using arbitrary endpoints that vary for either player seems a bit...odd. Those 6 years are meaningless in terms of hypothesizing how long the Bulls would have had him, so why restrict it to that?
  18. didn't look like the tag was on the lead foot He had so much time to tag him he simply delicately laid it upon his foot.
  19. I don't understand the people questioning the lack of a challenge; he was obviously dead at the plate.
  20. They're in the box above. Here, I'll be helpful: Grant: ORtg: 117 DRtg: 104 PER: 16 OBPM: 0.7 DBPM: 1.8 BPM: 2.6 VORP: 44.4 Brand: ORtg: 110 DRtg: 104 PER: 20.5 OBPM: 1.3 DBPM: 1.8 BPM: 3.1 VORP: 45.2 Value-wise, these are very similar players. Brand is technically better, obviously, but not significantly so, and certainly not the point that he's someone you'd anchor a team with.
  21. VORP, PER, the PM stats, WS and ORtg and DRtg are the ones I typically zero in on.
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