But you're willing to accept the same thing from an older player who makes a lot more money? I don't think Ronny has much of a chance of being good. I think he can be servicable. And if you are getting servicable, you might as well pay the minimum. Who am I accepting that from? I don't want Izturis out there either. Yeah, if I have to pick between the two, I'm picking Cedeno because there's at least more of a chance he could improve with age...but not much. Bottom line, both are unacceptable to be starting for the Cubs next year unless they MASSIVELY upgrade the corner OF spots. I can deal with one of them if I must taking up a black hole spot at the bottom of the lineup, but both of them? No thanks. That's the exact opposite of improving on this year. So far the best Cedeno arguments seem to be, "yeah, he's pretty bad, but he's not as bad as Izturisu because he's 2-3 years younger." When can we just flat out declare him bad? Another year? 2? 3?