that's a lot different than saying defense wins championships, don't you think? the reason you can't crunch and collect numbers to prove your point is because those numbers don't exist. True, I guess you got me caught up there. Maybe I should say I believe defense is important to winning a championship? It's just my opinion. :) :) Nobody was saying it's not important. What people are saying is that "defense" was nowhere near being a problem for the Cubs and why they're doing so bad. Izturis slightly improves and area where the Cubs weren't hurting and does absolutely nothing to help the Cubs where they're REALLY hurting: offense. Numbers-wise, he's a more expensive Neifi. If Hendry had shored up the corner OF positions, hey, great, this is fine. But since he hasn't, and he's now pulled even more money away from fixing those problems, this isn't a terribly smart move. And the "defense wins championships" is applicable in the other major sports, not baseball. Sure, it's important, but with hockey, football and basketball, the defense can take possesion and score on a moment's notice. Izturis can't dive and catch ball behind head and then touch home to score a run. He's a serious offensive liability on a team riddled with them.