uh, I don't think NFL teams have a vendetta against a particular college. that'd be pretty stupid. maybe people just didn't think he was that good, or didn't need a quarterback. Agreed. Andy, its kinda difficult to take you seriously in football threads. You are incredibly biased in your assessments. You once argued that the 06' Panthers - after starting out with a losing record in their first few games - would wind up with a better record than the Bears, and now you are basically asserting that Quinn is the love child of Johnny U and Joe Montana. How can you expect us to take you seriously? Did you not see the LSU game? The Michigan game? Most of his "great" games came against second tier competition. That said, I think Quinn will be a good pro, and perhaps better than Russell. But that doesn't mean he is the G-d you see him as being. I didn't mean NFL teams and scouts, I meant the media who spent the last four months destroying him for invented reasons like "sucks in big games" (apparently Penn State wasn't a big game last season and none of the games in 2005 were big) and "no upside" (like we know for an absolute fact that Russell is some kind of upside machine). And Carolina was the most talented team in the NFC, or at least appeared to be when the season was going on, and they SHOULD have been better than 8-8. Then again, I didn't see Chris Freaking Weinke starting three or four games towards the end of the season either. I never, ever, ever made him out to be some kind of god. Ever. I can't emphasize this strongly enough. Calvin Johnson is the best player in this draft and it's not even close. I've maintained this for months. Quinn was a top 5 talent in this draft and plummeted to 22. If this happened to your all-time favorite college athlete, you'd be pretty irate too.