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I don't get how Matt Forte, who was leading the NFL in yards from scrimmage until recently despite playing with a terrible offensive line, is average. Or Devin Hester, who is on a track to become a Hall of Famer albeit at a specialized position, is considered average. The weird thing is that almost everyone who is arguing against you thinks that Jerry Angelo has had a bad track record in his last several drafts, but take issue with the statement that he has drafted literally 0 good players. Even the blind squirrel finds the nut sometimes. I am disappointed with Angelo's drafting because it was somewhat promising after the 2003 draft where we drafted Grossman, Tillman, Briggs, Todd Johnson, Ian Scott and Justin Gage (of course his first 1st round pick was a spectacular bust). That one draft alone supplied 5 starters for the Super Bowl Bears. Then in 2004, the first 3 picks were pretty good (Tommie Harris, Tank Johnson and Berrian). Now we're at 8 starters for a super bowl team in 2 drafts. The rest of the draft consisted of a bunch of unknowns, and from that point on the drafts got progressively worse. He does seem to do OK with 2nd and 3rd round picks and once in awhile he will find a steal in the later rounds, but for the most part he's struggled everywhere else. For the record, I enjoy a good back and forth discussion regarding my favorite sports teams. My original post was a slight exaggeration, but with much emphasis on slight. I also do not in any way think Forte or Hester are average run of the mill players. But two quality players in a 5 year period will not turn a franchise into a perennial winner and that ratio to me is absolutely pathetic. Do I have concerns regarding Forte and his ability to be consistent and sustain a long term period of success? Yes. But that is another discussion. You hit the nail on the head in regards to Angelo's drafting and I agree with everything you said. For this fact alone, it is amazing to me that Angelo has lasted this long and I think Lovie's coaching regrettably has helped to keep Angelo in town. Management will only make a big change if we have a below average season and I am anxious to see how our o-line will be next year.

So seeing significant playing time is indicative of how good a player is or proof that they've been a good draft pick? That my friend, is nonsense. Chris Williams is a below average guard and has had one small stretch of decent play before getting hurt. Chris Williams was the only above average lineman the Bears had this year. Everything you've said the last two pages is nonsense. yeah my recollection was that he was at least adequate at tackle. the virus seems to not realize that there is quite a bit of value in a young player in his rookie contract playing average football. like i said, one can express disappointment at angelo's drafts without saying that everyone he's drafted in the past 5 years is worthless. and i shouldn't have to list names (thanks to sneaky for doing that though) to avoid being accused of trolling - if anyone is trolling it's the guy who's throwing out inane statements with no basis in reality. The point of my initial post, was to really hammer home on how JA hasn't drafted a blue chip player in many years. I'm fine with young players playing average, but sadly that is all we are seeing with his drafts are just plain average players. The point being average is the status quo with the current administration.

VJ is a must have for this team so you can draft other positions of need. This team sorely needs a true #1 WR. First round I think DE/OL would be a good start.

So seeing significant playing time is indicative of how good a player is or proof that they've been a good draft pick? That my friend, is nonsense. Chris Williams is a below average guard and has had one small stretch of decent play before getting hurt. Chris Williams was the only above average lineman the Bears had this year. Everything you've said the last two pages is nonsense. Thanks for adding to the discussion. :roll: I couldn't find anything about Williams on Football Outsiders. I do know he played well for a small stretch of games this year, but from 2008 until now, hes been a bust. You don't select a G with the 14th overall pick.

So seeing significant playing time is indicative of how good a player is or proof that they've been a good draft pick? That my friend, is nonsense. Chris Williams is a below average guard and has had one small stretch of decent play before getting hurt.

I'd argue Olsen didn't outplay or play up to his draft position, but he's been worth more than a damn. Olsen is not a full time TE in this league and he in no way is comparable to the top TEs in the NFL. Hes arguably a second tier TE due to the fact that he cant do anything outside of pass catching. I too am not blaming our drafting on yesterday's game or Cutler being hurt. I am blaming the drafting on the lack of depth on this team that is going to cripple us with the inevitable decline that is going to come with our top defensive players. Even if the Bears made the playoffs, their chances to go all the way were very slim.

So you are sticking with the comment then completely refuting it? Look I know Hester is a great player and this is Forte's breakout year, so while admitting that those two players have been great for us, I'm not going to give Angelo a pass. In doing so, that in no way refutes my thought process that Angelo has been horrible and his drafts in large have been unproductive. With the exception of Briggs and Urlacher, we've drafted 0 blue chip players.

your posts deserve to be trolled, they're terrible. saying that the bears haven't drafted a player worth a damn in over 5 years is a lot dumber than someone calling you out on your nonsense. You can list names if you wish to prove my post wrong, or you can just troll my post and look stupid. You also have to option to read between the lines and understand that I completely hate Angelo and his horrible managing of my favorite NFL team. Forte is a nice player, but we've had so many misses in the draft and we have had years to shore up this o-line which still has yet to be done. This season was basically a duplicate of last season. O-line issues, no WRs, less good TE play and a good aging defense. So you are sticking with the 5 years comment? Indeed. I'll give Angelo Forte and Hester. Hester was a head scratcher at the time if I remember correctly due to him not having a real strong position other then KR/PR Year No. Round Pick Player Name Position College 2011 1 1 29 29 Gabe Carimi T Wisconsin 2 2 21 53 Stephen Paea DT Oregon State 3 3 29 93 Chris Conte DB California 4 5 29 160 Nathan Enderle QB Idaho 5 6 30 195 James Thomas LB West Virginia 2010s 1 7 0 0 Harvey Unga RB Brigham Young 2010 1 3 11 75 Major Wright DB Florida 2 4 11 109 Corey Wootton DE Northwestern 3 5 10 141 Joshua Moore DB Kansas State 4 6 12 181 Dan LeFevour QB Central Michigan 5 7 11 218 J'marcus Webb T West Texas State 2009 1 3 4 68 Jarron Gilbert DE San Jose State 2 3 35 99 Juaquin Iglesias WR Oklahoma 3 4 5 105 Henry Melton DE Texas 4 4 19 119 D.J. Moore DB Vanderbilt 5 5 4 140 Johnny Knox WR Abilene Christian 6 5 18 154 Marcus Freeman LB Ohio State 7 6 17 190 Al Afalava DB Oregon State 8 7 37 246 Lance Louis G San Diego State 9 7 42 251 Derek Kinder WR Pittsburgh 2008 1 1 14 14 Chris Williams T Vanderbilt 2 2 13 44 Matt Forte RB Tulane 3 3 7 70 Earl Bennett WR Vanderbilt 4 3 27 90 Marcus Harrison DT Arkansas 5 4 21 120 Craig Steltz DB Louisiana State 6 5 7 142 Zack Bowman DB Nebraska 7 5 23 158 Kellen Davis TE Michigan State 8 7 1 208 Ervin Baldwin DE Michigan State 9 7 15 222 Chester Adams G Georgia 10 7 36 243 Joey LaRocque LB Oregon State 11 7 40 247 Kirk Barton T Ohio State 12 7 41 248 Marcus Monk WR Arkansas 2007 1 1 31 31 Greg Olsen TE Miami (FL) 2 2 30 62 Dan Bazuin DE Central Michigan 3 3 30 93 Garrett Wolfe RB Northern Illinois 4 3 31 94 Michael Okwo LB Stanford 5 4 31 130 Josh Beekman G Boston College 6 5 30 167 Kevin Payne DB Louisiana-Monroe 7 5 31 168 Corey Graham DB New Hampshire 8 7 11 221 Trumaine McBride DB Mississippi 9 7 31 241 Aaron Brant T Iowa State 2006 1 2 10 42 Danieal Manning DB Abilene Christian 2 2 25 57 Devin Hester WR Miami (FL) 3 3 9 73 Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma 4 4 23 120 Jamar Williams LB Arizona State 5 5 27 159 Mark Anderson DE Alabama 6 6 26 195 J.D. Runnels RB Oklahoma 7 6 31 200 Tyler Reed G Penn State

your posts deserve to be trolled, they're terrible. saying that the bears haven't drafted a player worth a damn in over 5 years is a lot dumber than someone calling you out on your nonsense. You can list names if you wish to prove my post wrong, or you can just troll my post and look stupid. You also have to option to read between the lines and understand that I completely hate Angelo and his horrible managing of my favorite NFL team. Forte is a nice player, but we've had so many misses in the draft and we have had years to shore up this o-line which still has yet to be done. This season was basically a duplicate of last season. O-line issues, no WRs, less good TE play and a good aging defense.

In terms of young talent, we're already ranked third in the NFC North. What about Angelo gives you confidence that he'll be able to turn this team into championship contenders? He hasn't drafted anybody worth a damn since 2006. dude come on. i'm not even a bears fan and i know he drafted matt forte since 2006. if the bears had gone 5 years without drafting a decent player they'd be by far the worst team in the nfl. you can say that his drafts have been disappointing without making hyperbolic and moronic statements. No, he can't. Your name is fitting as you refuse to get off my nuts. Please stop trolling every one of my posts kthx.

In terms of young talent, we're already ranked third in the NFC North. What about Angelo gives you confidence that he'll be able to turn this team into championship contenders? He hasn't drafted anybody worth a damn since 2006.

This season is over and as far as I'm concerned, next season will be too. Angelo's last few drafts have been garbage and I'm not too optimistic about him signing an IMPACT free agent WR. We need to get alot better on offense and get young on defense.

OK. Don't know who would replace Deng, but wouldn't really care at that point. And now that I've raised your hopes, this mod on RealGM will crush them for you...posted on Thurs: http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1139372&start=15 if he's a guy who won't play in a cold weather city, new york is out then too. It was said elsewhere in the thread that he also doesn't like big cities, but apparently he'll make an exception for LA. The NBA is going to be extremely corny if Kobe/CP3/Howard form a trio.

It wasn't a horrible ass team until they lost Cutler and Forte. The GM and management can't be blamed when you lose your starting QB, starting RB, and 1st round pick all in a matter of weeks. They were above average until all the injuries set in. We haven't added an impact player through the draft in years. We have so many holes to fill in the offseason, I'm afraid this team will be mediocre for awhile as the aging players start to decline drastically. What do we even draft first? I see the mocks all over the place. None of that has to do with your comment of this being a "horrible ass team". For this year this team was above average team with Cutler and Forte and were starting to click before the Cutler injury. Forte hasn't exactly been too great these last few games, although it's not entirely his fault either.

It wasn't a horrible ass team until they lost Cutler and Forte. The GM and management can't be blamed when you lose your starting QB, starting RB, and 1st round pick all in a matter of weeks. They were above average until all the injuries set in. We haven't added an impact player through the draft in years. We have so many holes to fill in the offseason, I'm afraid this team will be mediocre for awhile as the aging players start to decline drastically. What do we even draft first? I see the mocks all over the place.

This game shouldn't shut anybody up. People should be throwing a fit at the GM and management for putting together a horrible ass team. This team has an old defense, no above average wideouts and one of the worst o-lines i've ever seen.

Playing for a draft pick now, please lose out.

This team sucks. Thanks Angelo.

This. Oh and yea Hanie has no business on the field. Yet another Jerry Angelo failure.

this is stupid

Wow nice drive jay Cutler. I stand corrected and humbled in my judgment rush

The oline has looked great tonight

Nice Williams

Don't worry; your Patriots will bounce back. Hahah u mad?

Game over... Season done