link please? I'm on my cell, so can't link. There's a Patrick Mooney article on CSN that has quotes from Hoyer saying it was unfortunate that Garza couldn't pitch before the deadline and it hampered the calls, as teams were hesitant, since they're trying to win a WS. In another article(maybe Padilla?) He's also quoted with the same line of we're in the process of turning short term assets into longterm ones, but it wasn't said(possibly just the context, but doubtful) that an extension was a possibility. The general tone of the article acted like 2015 was the target year(year later than I want), but that was speculation, not from Hoyer.
It has to take years because that is how the front office has decided to go about doing the rebuild. While I won't even attempt to argue that, there were a few comments alluding to a lower payroll over the next couple of seasons allowing for the renovation process. No clue, but maybe Ricketts NEEDS the extra money for that?
Without knowing for sure, I doubt he's reranked the rest of the top 20. If I remember correctly, he had some guys absurdly high. Maybe Reggie Golden? If so, he's definitely not reranked anyone.
Interesting. I'm assuming this means we'll at least try to make him into a starter, before moving him quicker as a pen guy. He's got another 6-7 MPH in short stints, if I remember correctly. It'll be great if he builds up to where he can add 4-5 ticks to his FB as a starter.
Something I've never been totally clear on: Waivers in August. Hypothetical here, tell me if I'm wrong. We attempt to pass Garza through. Multiple teams claim him. We then have the opportunity to trade him to the team with the worst record that claimed him, correct? And he has to pass through the AL before he passes through the NL, right? As far as players go, anyone we conceivably would trade for, would then ALSO have to pass through, if they're on the 40 man, right? Also, isn't there a rule you can only attempt to get a guy through but so many times? I'm asking this, because if I've got it right, a team like Toronto could actually be one of the first teams that may actually put in a claim, making it possible to still deal him during the season.
Oh, I'll say this too: A Garza trade in the offseason conceivably puts us in the top 10. Assuming we even get one top 100ish type guy and not guys alrwady in the majors.
I'm tagging Brett for his current struggles, maybe more than I should honestly, since I do see him as a longterm CFer for us. My 7 thru 11 could go in any order, depending on my mood that day. But I actually think all of my top 15 would be top 300 guys, speaking positively about our depth anyway. Definitely see the 9 I mentioned as having better systems than us, figure we'll fall anywhere in the 10-13ish range, depending on who's doing the grading. You called San Diego for sure, but I still like Boston a decent amount. Both have depth though, so I figure they'll both be ranked in our vicinity. Baltimore is awful after their top 4, including Gausman, but figure Bundy amps up their ranking higher than it should be.
Teams I see with better systems than us currently would be Toronto, Texas, STL, Pittsburgh, KC, Oakland, Seattle, Houston, and Arizona. Teams we're probably on a par with are Baltimore(no depth), Boston, Yankees, Padres, Twins, and Reds.
Honestly, I think the Dodgers played that pretty smart in their own right. Dempster's probably going to regress the rest of the season(especially now though in Texas).
My guess is the headliner is going to be a guy they can slot immediately into the rotation next year. Maybe Hutchison, maybe Odorizzi, but I figure the pricetag drops from 3 really solid guys down to 2. Maybe an amped up Marshall type deal, better guys than Wood and Torreyes, with a 3rd contributing piece again. Olney said Arizona was trying today on him, if they were offering Bradley and Corbin as the top 2 pieces, I'd be pretty disappointed we didn't take it.
Jed's comments about teams being scared off by Garza's injury were very telling though. There were no " we need more Matt Garza's than less of him lines". Pretty obvious the plan was to trade him. My guess is that stays the intention, assuming he pitches decently the rest of the year. I guess the competition on the trade market will include Shields and Johnson, but I can't really think of who else could be available.
To me, I think I like the combined return of what we got a bit more than what we may would have gotten, if we'd gotten Delgado for Dempster and been left trying to trade Maholm. Vizcaino is a damn good alternative. Hell, his upside is higher than Delgado's. I think we lucked out partially because Maholm has pitched extremely well in Atlanta, over his career. As far as Vitters vs. Villanueva? I'll take Villanueva. Glove isn't even close here and his approach at the same age is better than Vitters' was. The Garza injury was bad luck, hopefully he comes back and pitches well the rest of the season. Plenty of teams will be looking for pitching and there's not much on the FA market. Yeah, I figure we lost somewhat on a possible return on him, but my guess is any offers had an injury effect to them as well. So we may very well get more in the offseason than what we were getting for him today.
Not that I expected them to but I'm glad they didn't get tunnel vision looking for pitching. True. They had mentioned a 3B or a C at different points. After concentrating so heavily on pitching in the draft, getting the guys from the other trades, and Paniagua as well, I'm glasd they went BPA too.
My honest guess is they stuck with Gould and Withrow. Would you take this trade or Gould/Withrow? As much as I wanted pitching(and I like Gould), I'd take this. Villanueva is the best prospect in either deal.
Villanueva is solid. He's definitely inside our top 10, have to research more to figure out where. Hendricks is kind of interesting, I'm sure he'll fit inside our top 30 somewhere. Not bad at all, just a little bit letdown after yesterday and the Delgado saga, no Garza trade.....