Ding Dong Johnson

I'm going to forget Shiny Happy People in this round as well.

That post is an idiot.

Phil Rogers sucks. I prefer sports writers who know stuff about sports.

I hate Lars.

Yeah, what the hell happened to that guy? I think I got him in the 5th round, thinking I got a steal.

No, he doesn't. The guy who creates problems on the basepaths is the guy who spends more time on the basepaths. Comparing Todd Walker's seasonal averages to Juan Pierre's: Walker = 363 total bases Pierre = 322 total bases Add stolen bases, subtract caught stealing: Walker = 367 total bases Pierre = 356 total bases

Whether the offense is good or bad, I would expect a minimum of 360 from the leadoff spot. A quick glance shows 60 guys doing that right now. There are 119 players over 335. How many of those guys bat leadoff consistently? 2? 3? That number is a lot lower than it should be because things like speed are overvalued. Pierre should not have been batting leadoff simply because he's faster than say Todd Walker. When Juan was toiling in the 270 OBP range and Walker and Murton were both in the 370 range, they should have occupied the top 2 spots in the lineup.

Whether the offense is good or bad, I would expect a minimum of 360 from the leadoff spot. A quick glance shows 60 guys doing that right now. There are 119 players over 335.

Except he doesn't create run opportunities especially well and his lack of OBP is what matters most, much moreso than his speed. His speed does not offset his lack of OBP. Then quantify it. How many SB's, and speed does it take to make up for how much OBP lost? What would be the point where his speed would offset the lack of OBP? No offense, but it's your argument to prove.

Juan Pierre has been horrible this year, a big reason why the offense stunk. There never was any kind of a "need" for him, and therefore, there can be nothing that enhances that need. What if he makes it to .295/.335 this year? Is that still a horrible year? And yes, he could easily make that this year-he's a career .320 average after the break, he raised his batting average 7 points last night, and he only has 17 points to go. Sure, it's not the best OBP in the league, or anywhere close. What I'm saying though that on this team, his speed matters than it would on just about any team on the league. We can only score 1 run at a time most of the time, and Pierre is very good at creating run opportunities with his work on the bases. I would say 335 from my leadoff hitter would be a horrible season.

Generalizations are fun.

no. Iron Maiden would have gotten killed as well Stupid non-metal heads. more like competing against the greatest band ever. Genesis may be top 3, but I wouldn't call them the greatest ever.

How do you explain 6 career triples?

That poster took his own comments to a ridiculous extreme.

That's likely a 110-115 million team and I don't think the Trib is going to authorize that much payroll. Who cares how much money it would cost. I want to see a World Series in Wrigley. I doubt you would see one with that lineup. It really isn't much better than what we already have.

This is not only strange logic, it's illogical logic. The best leadoff man for a team with bad OBP is a leadoff man with bad OBP? I'm arguing that when a team has bad OBP behind him, speed becomes the next important thing. Pierre creates runs with his speed. Let's take an extreme example of this. A player who is so slow he can only advance one base at a time has a 1.000 OBP. He walks every single time, so the team puts him at leadoff. The team behind him only has a .200 OBP, so they are only going to knock him in about 1 out of every 10 times. A player like Pierre with a .750 OBP only gets on 3 out of 4 times, but he only needs 1 hit to get him home, not 3. Therefore, the team knocks him home more often statistically then the player with the 1.000 OBP. Yes, this is absolutely absurd, but it works just as well with actual team numbers. A player with a .400 OBP is wasted if the team behind them can not string together hits to get them home, and so a player like Pierre with a .330 OBP is actually statistically more likely to get home with one hit from the hitters behind him with his speed. The best scenario is to get a lineup who has great OBP hitters, but for this team Juan Pierre has the best statistical chance of scoring per at bat. First off, if the guy is so slow he can only advance 1 base at a time, 1 out of 10 times he'll only get to 2nd base. Anywho, you're neglecting the failure rates of subsequent batters. A "hit" to drive him in is only going to happen 3 out of 10 times with a good hitter behind him. Keep in mind, too, that Pierre does not steal a base with each single/walk/HBP (132 singles/BB/HBP, 32 SBs), so more often than not it will take more than just 1 hit to get him in. Now you're counting on having 2 good hitters behind him for him to score when he gets on base, which is going to happen more often with a leadoff hitter who gets on base more often.

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi_ny/

Small point: you're taking a player who is not among the league leaders in OBP (Vizquel) and comparing him to a player who is second in the NL in home runs and fourth in SLG (Howard). How would your eight Ryan Howards do against eight Nick Johnsons? (Or eight Scott Hattebergs, or Freddy Sanchezes, or Brad Hawpes. Man, baseball will be cool when it's played by clones. Less cool when the Cubs spend $80 million on eight Phil Nevins, though). Howard's RC/27 is 7.22. Sanchez, who has 25 fewer home runs, is at 7.58. Shouldn't it be Freddy Sanchi?

I'll never forget their concert in New Springfield.

Nobody, huh? :twisted: Electon Blue also mentioned Lofton. So, what you're saying is, Mojo can't read? :wink:

IF Jones puts up these numbers over the life of his contract, I consider it to be a bargain. However, that is a huge if. I don't think any Cubs fan wants him to fail or regress to his norms, but it's not out of line to think it will happen. And when it does happen, he's no longer a bargain but a liability.

Nobody, huh? :twisted:

They should be just as good, barring injuries. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.

I'm in.

It'll be nearly as bad as the time Neifi hit the grand slam in St Louis last year.