Then why did you talk about Illinois last year? Or Illinois football this year? because when illinois basketball is down, everyone notices. when iowa basketball is down and a pointless waste of time, the sky is blue. Over the last 3 years Iowa is one game better than Illinois in the Big Ten. We had a coaching move in the middle of that 3 years, Bruce has no such excuse. Except maybe that it can be a distraction to have players leave another teammate to die. What about the irrelevant Illinois football team this year? Why were they discussed? why just the past 3 years? but i guess a tourney appearance for the hawkeyes is considered a successful season, and that's just fine for a largley irrelevant program. you guys are doin great! you can go to the football thread to discuss illinois football if you'd like. i thought this was the basketball thread. but if you're asking me, illinois football was just about irrelevant enough to beat the hawkeyes. I was obviously cherry-picking the numbers to help state my case. But the fact remains that Illinois hasn't been relevant since Deron Williams left. No more relevant than Iowa. You don't want anyone to discuss irrelevant teams. Yet you continually discussed (well actually you just whined about officiating and how only you are doomed to root for teams with terrible luck) Illinois football. They were completely irrelevant this year and haven't been any more relevant historically than Iowa basketball. And if you want to go the head-to-head route, I wasn't bragging when Iowa beat Illinois in '07. We stunk, they went to the Rose Bowl. It didn't really mean much. Fun facts. The year after Deron Williams left we went 18-0 to start the season. The last remaining undefeated team in America. We won at UNC and at Wisconsin. Thanks for the history lesson though. Good call on us not being relevant after Deron Williams. What I really like about that statement though is how pretty much everyone, Jay Bilas included, didn't even think Deron Williams was all that great in college. Hell Dee Brown and Luther Head were the first team All Americans.