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Vance - You sure called that one right.
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As a reminder, NSBB etiquette calls for attacking the post, not the poster, although trust me my feelings are not the least bit hurt. I guess in this case it's much easier for you to shoot the messenger than to try to challenge some of the valid points the author made that evidently hit home.
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Said he frequents Northsidebaseball.com and that the Voice or Reason is his favorite poster.
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What about Zambrano's antics? With respect to umpires, Z and Pujols are moving in opposite directions with their reactions to them. My point was you could go all day about a certain player's character and it's pointless. Pujols is not a bad guy because he doesn't talk to the media/stares at the umpire. Same goes for Zambrano. Hey Voice, since you're so offended by Slaughter being acknowledged, I'm sure you have expressed your dismay in letters to the organization stating your case. Am I right, or have you just wasted your time trying to make a few nice Cards fans feel bad about something they have NOTHING to do with?[/quote] I didn't write the article, Greg Doyel, National Correspondent for CBS did. You can simply write him off as "biased" because you don't want to hear what he says and missed the point of his article, however IMO he does makes a lot of valid points regarding Cards fans, the very soft St. Louis media and the Cards organization including: If he ever writes an article about the Chicago media treating the Cubs with kid gloves (don't hold your breath), then and only then we can justifiably bring the Cubs into the discussion.
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What on earth does this have to with Pujols? Unless you are saying rude to media = racist klansman. Just because a slighted journalist put it an article doesn't make it relevant. I agree. That comment is the most ridiculous and assanine I have ever seen on here. Wow, you are pathetic Voice.Seriously. The point made by the author (and that you obviously ignored) is simply pointing out the silliness of blind worship (whether it be Pujols, McGwire or Slaughter) by a group of fans, local media and an organizaton. Don't you think it's its "ridiculous and assinine" that a franchise named a room after a known bigot like Slaughter? Jackie Robinson was one of the most influential and courageous baseball players that ever lived. Naming a room after Slaughter is a slap in his face. What if Chicago named a room after Cap Anson? It's a ridiculous attempt to somehow denigrate St. Louis and it's fans. the cubs haven't so how is that at all relevant? It isn't.
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What on earth does this have to with Pujols? Unless you are saying rude to media = racist klansman. Just because a slighted journalist put it an article doesn't make it relevant. I agree. That comment is the most ridiculous and assanine I have ever seen on here. Wow, you are pathetic Voice.Seriously. The point made by the author (and that you obviously ignored) is simply pointing out the silliness of blind worship (whether it be Pujols, McGwire or Slaughter) by a group of fans, local media and an organizaton. Don't you think it's its "ridiculous and assinine" that a franchise named a room after a known bigot like Slaughter? Jackie Robinson was one of the most influential and courageous baseball players that ever lived. Naming a room after Slaughter is a slap in his face.
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Wolf - Don't you think it was amazing that Enos "Country" Slaughter was such a good hitter - considering he wore a white hood and all. Must of had extra wide peep holes.
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Evidently this writer thinks he has. http://www.sportsline.com/columns/story/9730509
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Piniella might be Cubs top choice
The Voice of Reason replied to CubinNY's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Bruce - Is Bochy a possibility? -
The Yankees would never make that trade. They need starting pitching. The only thing the Yankees would take from the Cubs for A-Rod is Zambrano.
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Vance - Why do you think Dierker is not under consideration by any of the teams with openings?
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Lets go Cards, or Lets go Mets?
The Voice of Reason replied to thedaymen's topic in General Baseball Talk
That's like asking someone whom they prefer - The Taliban or Al Qaeda? -
K-Rod (Alex, not Francisco)
The Voice of Reason replied to The Voice of Reason's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
After his three K performance today, Arod was being called KRod by Yankee fans and the New York media. -
Any chance what looks like another dismal postseason by ARod could lead to him ending up with the Cubs? At least with the Cubs, ARod could relax because responding to post season pressure is usually not part of the job requirement. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15145524/
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Cardinals might not make the playoffs thread
The Voice of Reason replied to UMFan83's topic in General Baseball Talk
Even head cheerleader Jeff "Gordo" Gordon is turning on the Red Birds. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/1807D29ACC095EFE862571F8001872DD?OpenDocument -
Cardinals might not make the playoffs thread
The Voice of Reason replied to UMFan83's topic in General Baseball Talk
Based on the internet or personal experience. Ever spend much time in Central/Southern Illinois or Missouri? -
Southside Ryan wrote: SSR - Specifically what Managers had better years than the above managers you reference (apparently as undeserving) during the years they won Manager of the Year?
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How many above average budget teams has he coached? Not many. Do you think the Marlin fans care that they were a wild card team when they won the World Series? You're right that 54 - 108 AAA season shouldn't be counted against him and is a good example of why overall records can be misleading. He'll wise up on Neifi. Why shouldn't a 54-108 season be counted against him? Are you saying the quality of the players is what should be looked at? Are you saying the most talented team wins the World Series every year? That managers don't make a difference? That despite being voted Manager of the Year six times (by observant Sports writers like Bruce Miles), Leyland is not a good manager because he lost 108 games with a AAA (at best) team? So team does bad, blame the budget, and the talent. Team does, good, yay manager!! Dusty Baker, 3 time Manager of the Year. What about some of the other managers that have won it in the last 2O years? Dierker, McKeon (2), Cox (3), LaRussa (2), Lasorda (2), Torre, Kelly, Sparky Anderson (2), etc. Which ones were undeserving? Obviously they were just "middle of the road" managers like Leyland (3) and Girardi (this year's winners). :roll:
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Are you saying that all sportswriters are created equal? The word "observant" doesn't apply to most sportswriters. Miles is an exception, not the norm. No, any voting system has it's weaknesses but Manager of the Year voting does allow for the discounting of unequal talent distribution rather than simply giving the award to the Manager of the team with the best W/L record. Overall I think the writers get it right most of the time.
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How many above average budget teams has he coached? Not many. Do you think the Marlin fans care that they were a wild card team when they won the World Series? You're right that 54 - 108 AAA season shouldn't be counted against him and is a good example of why overall records can be misleading. He'll wise up on Neifi. Why shouldn't a 54-108 season be counted against him? Are you saying the quality of the players is what should be looked at? Are you saying the most talented team wins the World Series every year? That managers don't make a difference? That despite being voted Manager of the Year six times (by observant Sports writers like Bruce Miles), Leyland is not a good manager because he lost 108 games with a AAA (at best) team?
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How many above average budget teams has he coached? Not many. Do you think the Marlin fans care that they were a wild card team when they won the World Series? You're right that 54 - 108 AAA season shouldn't be counted against him and is a good example of why overall records can be misleading. He'll wise up on Neifi.
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What are the differences other than Leyland? The young arms have peaked and remained healthy. The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year. They may never be in this situation again. He won in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit. Amazing how those "perfect storms" keep following him around. I'm guessing the Storm lost the directions to Colorado. .750 is not a bad batting average. Who has won consistently in Colorado? So I guess then Leyland is your middle of the road type manager. Not terrible, but not great. Middle of the road??? Manager of the Year - Six times, 3 in the minors and three in the majors (counting this year). Turned the Pirates around in the aftermath of the drug scandals of 1985 and won three division titles. Won the World Series with the Marlins. Had the integrity (unlike Dusty) to walk away from baseball and $millions in Colorado when he burnt out after 35 years. Has the Tigers going to the playoffs in his first year as manager.
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What are the differences other than Leyland? The young arms have peaked and remained healthy. The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year. They may never be in this situation again. He won in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit. Amazing how those "perfect storms" keep following him around. I'm guessing the Storm lost the directions to Colorado. .750 is not a bad batting average. Who has won consistently in Colorado?
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What are the differences other than Leyland? The young arms have peaked and remained healthy. The perfect storm. For their sake I hope they win it this year. They may never be in this situation again. He won in Pittsburgh, Florida and now Detroit. Amazing how those "perfect storms" keep following him around.
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What are the differences other than Leyland?