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My team needs to step it up for the playoffs. Santana with another lackluster game. Gallardo's been bad. Morneau's not hitting much. Uggla just now starting to hit. Sheff hurt. Hamels hurt. Inconsistent play from Salty and Lugo. My team MVP is probably Kelvim Escobar at this point. He and Marcum are anchoring my staff right now.

CUBS are 16th in the National League in Sacrifice hits. hahahahhahaha Thanks Fred That's awesome. hasn't been that bad. But the Cubs have seemingly failed a lot at sacrificing.

I'll go on record to say it was a dumb move to have Theriot bunt, after the 1st two guys got hit. You got a pitcher that hasn't pitched in 2 months. At the very least, you gotta make him throw some pitches. Don't give up the out.

Anyone know how to get out of a public league? I was placed in 2 for some odd reason, that I don't want to be in.

Looks like someone forgot to complete the star on a Cowboys hat.

Why do you constantly focus solely on his splits vs RHP? Because generally, that's all he is (and should) be playing against. Moreover, it's really easy to find replacement level right handed CFs who can post reasonable numbers against LHP. But is that fair to those hitters who can also hit LHPs? It's not like LHPs are rare enough to just throw them out of the discussion. There are far fewer lefties than righties overall, no? Plus guys like Beltran, Jones, Hunter, Wells and Damon make a ton more than Jones does. You can't do a thorough analysis IMO without considering salary. But you can without using all pitchers? Makes sense.

Why do you constantly focus solely on his splits vs RHP? Because generally, that's all he is (and should) be playing against. Moreover, it's really easy to find replacement level right handed CFs who can post reasonable numbers against LHP. But is that fair to those hitters who can also hit LHPs? It's not like LHPs are rare enough to just throw them out of the discussion. Those hitters certainly give you more roster flexibility because you don't have to platoon them. That doesn't change the fact that -- used properly -- the vast vast majority of at bats that Jacque will have, he is a well-above average hitter for his position. No. The numbers you show prove that Jones is/was capable of being well above average for his position if used properly. 2006 was the only year in the last 4 in which Jones has put up a his career numbers vs. RHPs....and he wasn't a CF for any of those years, so who knows where he ranked for corner OFs. He's well below that this year, and was well below in 2004. I count 3 caveats (capable, for his position, and if used properly). The rest are just, well above average.

what I don't understand is the Reds love. I've heard several sources and even people here at work talking about how the Reds are back in the race. Sure, they've played well recently, but seriously. I've heard, "anybody can win this division" and "don't count out the Reds, they've got a lot of games coming up in the central" They're 12 games under .500. 8 games out. I'm sorry, but if you guys don't mind. I'm gonna count the Reds out.

Why do you constantly focus solely on his splits vs RHP? Because generally, that's all he is (and should) be playing against. Moreover, it's really easy to find replacement level right handed CFs who can post reasonable numbers against LHP. But is that fair to those hitters who can also hit LHPs? It's not like LHPs are rare enough to just throw them out of the discussion.

Why do you constantly focus solely on his splits vs RHP? and on career numbers at that. Everyone on that list is a better player than Jacque. Without looking up the numbers, I think most have been better this year.

:lol: Somehow, I think I'll survive. Good lord, some of you guys take yourselves seriously. Pour yourself a stiff drink and kick up your feet ... God, it must be hell. Again, you don't know the difference between fact and hyperbole. That line was obviously figuratively speaking. And just because you said something that made no sense, and I called you out on it...that means I take myself too seriously? No. It just makes you wrong.

Exactly. And I appreciate the fact that he seems to be enjoying himself. A happy worker is a more productive worker, in my experience. I also agree with Vance that we should try and deal him during the offseason and upgrade. Finally, I don't understand why some of you find it so hard to admit that he has done a very nice job since the ASB. Its like there's some sort of Anti-Jacque society out there: "The first rule of Jones Club is we never say anything about him that could be perceived as a compliment." :wink: Because many of them took the irrational position that Jacque was more likely to continue to produce at a sub .700 OPS in second half rather than producing at or about his career norms. They were wrong. In fact, he's been even better. People don't like to admit when they are wrong. The funny thing is that the dislike for Hendry and dislike for Jones here seems to be clouding the judgment of certain of our so-called analytical posters. It was a pretty unremarkable proposition -- from an analytical perspective -- to suggest that Jones was likely to produce at or about career norms in the second half. Nevertheless, certain so-called analytical posters rejected that notion. In my view, that's a function of their personal dislike of Hendry and Jones. This post is complete BS. He's been great. Everybody has admitted that. But overall he has still been piss poor. Are we not looking at the big picture now because everything is rosy? Speaking of complete BS, his OPS+ his first year was 107. Even after his dreadfull start of the year, he's going to probably end up with an OPS at or over 90 while playing CF (his career OPS+ is 100). How would that qualify as, in your words, "piss poor"? Average, okay. But piss poor? Hyperbole like that screams "I have a subjective bias against Jacque Jones". How can you unequivocably say his OPS+ is "probably" gonna end up at of over 90? He's at 83 right now. Has it become a given that he has another month like August? Because that's the only way it's gonna happen. Even if he has another solid month like July, he's probably not gonna get to 90. And I'd like to point out that 100 OPS+ is "average". 90 is clearly below average. 83 is well below average AKA piss poor. He's been the offensive equivalent of Tony Graffanino this year. He's been further below average than Soriano has been above average. Thirdly, don't confuse hyperbole with fact. And who was talking about Jones as a Cub. I'm talking 2007. This thread has been about his hot streak. THIS YEAR. He has sucked THIS YEAR. He was decent-to-good last year. I've never said otherwise.

I'll take a 2006 Soriano please Unfortunately those numbers were scewed as well because he was on such a crappy team, nobody cared if he hit because nobody else on the Nats could. Are you trying to say teams let him hit because nobody else on the team could? I don't understand how his numbers are skewed.

Exactly. And I appreciate the fact that he seems to be enjoying himself. A happy worker is a more productive worker, in my experience. I also agree with Vance that we should try and deal him during the offseason and upgrade. Finally, I don't understand why some of you find it so hard to admit that he has done a very nice job since the ASB. Its like there's some sort of Anti-Jacque society out there: "The first rule of Jones Club is we never say anything about him that could be perceived as a compliment." :wink: Because many of them took the irrational position that Jacque was more likely to continue to produce at a sub .700 OPS in second half rather than producing at or about his career norms. They were wrong. In fact, he's been even better. People don't like to admit when they are wrong. The funny thing is that the dislike for Hendry and dislike for Jones here seems to be clouding the judgment of certain of our so-called analytical posters. It was a pretty unremarkable proposition -- from an analytical perspective -- to suggest that Jones was likely to produce at or about career norms in the second half. Nevertheless, certain so-called analytical posters rejected that notion. In my view, that's a function of their personal dislike of Hendry and Jones. This post is complete BS. He's been great. Everybody has admitted that. But overall he has still been piss poor. Are we not looking at the big picture now because everything is rosy? I'd also like to add that when Jones was signed, I posted that I thought he would turn out better than expected. He was coming off of a year where he walked in 9% of his plate appearances, which if continued would have made him a steal. It didn't. He did provide power last year, but has done neither for the most part of this year.

That's because he would likely be in his early 20s instead of 31, and what he's doing now would be 8 billion times more likely to be a sign of things to come rather than a career aberration. If you can't honestly respect the difference between a homegrown prospect coming up and putting up these numbers for the league minimum and a past-prime FA signing putting up these numbers after a horrible 1st half of the season and a career of mediocrity, then there's really no use in you continuing this discussion, because you will get ripped to shreds.

I would probably rather have Cherry than Gallagher. But Patterson would provide another pinch runner along with Pie. The situation that effectively ended Sunday's game could be averted with antoher speed guy on the bench. Plus, he has the versatility to play OF and IF if needed.

12 team league (point per reception): QB- V Young RB- Tomlinson (#2 pick, Jackson went 1) RB- A Green WR- S Smith WR- T Owens WR- Cotchery TE- Witten K- left draft before last round told someone to pick me any K Def- Jacksonville Bench M Lynch (RB) K Curtis (WR) J Norwood (RB) O Daniels (TE) Packers Def E Wilford (WR) Grossman (QB)

Kevin Curtis. If he's still on the board.

This perfectly describes Corey Patterson as a Cub too (except for the smile during games thing, which I won't even get into that comment), yet he still was bashed for not caring and not being coachable.

when is it too soon to select Brandon Jackson? Would you take him at 47 or 50?

A 3-game series at Wrigley with all night games. Has that ever happened?

Jamal Lewis lost a step 3 years ago. At best, he's the 30th ranked RB.

Marmol was called up almost 2 months into the season though. He missed the first 6 weeks (42 games). I think he is alright provided Lou limits his back-to-back appearances the rest of the way. I'll be as concerned as everyone else by season's end if he's out there 5/7 days in September. He didn't miss 6 weeks. He was starting in Iowa, racking up innings. It's not like those don't count just because they were in AAA. I don't think the total innings means a whole lot, though. He has pitched over 100 innings plenty is his career. I do hate to see him rack up appearances and as many multiple inning appearances as he has.

Outstanding? No. They weren't outstanding with him. But provided Lou plays his cards right with Floyd/Murton/Ward/Monroe (i.e. not playing the 1st or last) then Soriano is a pretty big upgrade.

The problem with that is Lou's plan was to bunt the 2 runners to 2nd and 3rd in which case you'd probably like your faster runner on 2nd to score on a hit rather than on 3rd for the sac fly. yeah, and if Ward or Derosa, the only other option on the bench is at 1B, they most likely get thrown out at 2nd, ending with the same result. Plus, Pie isn't the best basestealer, who knows if he'd have gotten a good enough jump to steal either.