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Cardinals or White Sox?
Chocolate Milk replied to Butterscup1679666578's topic in General Baseball Talk
They lost to the Royals again today. Lead is down to 4.5 games. This could end up being a collapse of epic proportions. I work with all WS fans. They have been walking around with pained expressions for a while now. A lot different when they jubilantly rubbed the Sox success in my face earlier this year. -
I think I'll hold on to solid, predictable, offensive production over catching defense which has an ambiguous impact on the pitching and uncertain impact on runs scored.
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boston's done all right with some pretty shaky defense up the middle. And Atlanta has done well being solid there. If you can do well without it or with it doesn't it mean it's really not of the utmost importance?
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He's had some really nice movement on his pitches lately.
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Counterpoint: Lovie Smith:
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:shock:
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My roomate worked for the Wisconsin Athletic department and was the dude who used to go to all the classes and see if the football players were going. They all knew who he was and used to joke around with him. He'd stay for like 15 mins, do a head count, then take off. What a funny job.
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Mitre is terrible, period. End of story.
Chocolate Milk replied to Derwood's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I was walking down Illinois Ave. with my girlfriend and I saw Sergio Mitre coming out of the AMC. Me: "Holy "poop!" I think that was Sergio Mitre!" Girlfriend: "Who?" Me: "Some loser who pitches for the Cubs." GF: "Oh." Me: "Let's get some ice cream!" I figured that this was a relevant story to tell in this thread. I hope everyone got as much out of it as I did. -
You know, we aren't really out of the wild card...
Chocolate Milk replied to Wheelimus's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
The Cubs are still playing? -
Patterson on the block?
Chocolate Milk replied to ryno-mvp23's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Ahahahaha! Sad Jeter! -
Baseball Prospectus on Jose Macias
Chocolate Milk replied to sonofsamiam's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Is that raise going to be spread over his likely 2 year extention? Or is that per/year? -
The Cubs are still playing? :?:
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Relax. Just because other's don't agree that this is the gravest of situations doesn't mean you have to "give up." Since you were obviously refering to me about the above, it may behoove you to actually read what I wrote. I brought up the other contracts to see what the typical preformer like Maddux was earning. It wasn't just underpreformers there were some overpreformers in there as well. I found that he was over-paid by about double what he's making. I concluded that overpaying Maddux by 4 million dollars for one year when we have 40 million to spend isn't going to have a noticable impact on the team. What's wrong with that? You may disagree with it, but I'm not pulling it out of my arse either. I certianly never justified his contract.
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Lee Situation
Chocolate Milk replied to Jazz's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Other than the unlikely senario that a Herschel Walker type deal comes along, we should do our best to re-sign Lee. -
Not worth the attention? None of this crap is worth the attention it's getting. Frankly, I'd say nearly half, if not more, of the attention is coming from people who have nothing but praise for Maddux and his contribution to the team. No, it's not the biggest issue. It's also not receiving the most attention. I'm not saying the Cubs can't build a winner with Maddux on the team or that his contract is a club killer. It was just brought up because his option officially vested last night. I don't see why his defenders have to take it so personally. It's much more an indictment on how the Cubs run the team than any sort of rip on Greg himself, and I don't see how anybody can pretend the Cubs are good at running their team. Fair enough. I agree with most of that. I honestly really don't care all that much, I'm just bored at work.
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Why do you keep saying 9 million? Are we going to replace Greg for a MLB player of similar production for free? Here are the players 5 spots better in ERA than Greg and 5 spots lower and their contracts: Clement 6.5m Young 400k Wells 4.075m Marquis 3m Moyer 8m Wakefield 4.670m Robertson 355k Nussina 19m Bonderman 400k Sabathia 5.250m While, this isn't a perfect way to compute value it gives us a good idea of similar pitchers and what they are paid. The average is 5.165m which puts Maddux's overpayment at around 4 million. Sure, it would be great to bring up a prospect and expect Maddux's production from him, but I haven't seen anyone capeable of doing that around here. We aren't the Twins or the A's. We don't have to wring our hands because one of our players is marginally overpaid and it will keep us from signing players we need. It's one year, we have a lot of money to spend, and he's marginally overpaid. It affects us, but it's not like he's Mussina, Sosa, or Wood. It's not worth all the attention it's getting around here. The Cubs have much, much, much bigger fish to fry.
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This is correct and the crux of the issue. No one seems to want to address it however. I'm not sure how that is at all correct, or the crux. First off, you have no idea who he wants to sign. Secondly, simply signing guys is not the only way to acquire players or payroll. Every dollar spent affects the budget. It's absolutely the crux of the issue. What's the point of discussing the money we're paying him unless it's in regards to how it could be spent this year? It only effects this offseason and with the amount of money that the Cubs have to spend, I think it will effect them little, if not at all. It's not like Greg's option vested for the next 10 years. He's on the books next year and that's it. If the Cubs really want to get someone, either by trade or by free agency, Greg contract shouldn't be holding anything up. I agree with everyone that it was a bad contract and he is being overpaid. I don't agree that it's going to have any real impact.
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How will they suffer for it? They are going to have more money to spend this offseason than there will be quality players to spend it on. Should they have saved the money to re-sign Clement? No thanks, his contract is longer term and he has not pitched any better. Could they have saved it and make a run a Burnett? Only if you want another guy that will probably be on the shelf half the year like Wood. Hendry is right where he wants to be from a payroll standpoint (though obviously not from a team success perspective). The Maddux contract will not stop him from signing anyone he wants this offseason. This is correct and the crux of the issue. No one seems to want to address it however.
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Steve Nebraska was no Johnny Utah. You take that back.
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So whats the impact? We can complain all day (rightly) that he is being overpaid but is it something that is actually going to effect this team in going out and getting players we need? I personally, don't think it will effect us in any meaningful way.
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I still contend that the amount extra we are paying for Maddux has little impact on this team or who they are going to be able to sign.
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You got to hand it to him though, the man can pitch some innings.
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Me too. The last thing we need is another overpaid pitcher.
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Patterson on the block?
Chocolate Milk replied to ryno-mvp23's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
We can't go into next season pinning our hopes to Corey turning it around. We can't have our CF throwing up .223/.261(!)/.364/.625.