I hear this a lot and I can't make sense of it at all. Let's take for instance that game. The Steelers scored a lot and didn't win. Are they insinuating that scoring a lot means you will lose? The Bengals scored more and won! Weird how that works. To me it's the same as the argument, or insinuation, that big time hitters aren't necessary in baseball because the Rockies, Rangers and others score a lot but don't win, and all that matters is pitching and defense. There is a sort of macho man love for defense, while high scoring offenses are assumed to be more finesse. I think that is true across all sports, and drives a lot of the desire for defense over offense. Offenses have been prioritized across most leagues, knowing that scoring = ratings, and a lot of old schoolers resent that, so, like their reaction to Billy Beane & Co. they go overboard in their bashing. You are right. I do hear it a lot from old timers. I am also getting frustrated at the "If it aint broke don't fix it." crowd. If having the lowest rated passer in the league, coverting 28% (31st in the NFL) of our third downs, converting no third downs in the last game, not having a TD scoring drive longer than EIGHT yards for 3 weeks, and ranking DEAD LAST in passing yardage, isn't broke, I'm not sure what is. The baseball equivilent would be to have a pitcher who has an 8 ERA but is 15-0 because he gets 13 Runs a game in support. It's becoming very frustrating to listen to such ridiculous tripe as these morons spew on the radio. It's obvious the offense is frusterated with Orton. Do they think it still not "broken?"