Rob

:shock: Put me down! I am down! That could quite possibly be the worst trade I've ever heard (from the Mets standpoint). I know Milledge is good, but I dont see why he is so highly touted. He seems good, but nowhere near great. .828 OPS in the minors this year. 837 last year, pretty good patience, little power. Seems about the same level as Pie and about the same age, yet Milledge is talked about as a superstar and Pie as nothing that special. All that said, I wouldnt think about trading him for Buerhle or Vazquez Milledge has started to lose his appeal lately. Isn't he going to have to move out of CF too?

Ugh 4 / 44 for Lilly. I realize we've got to overpay to get picthing via FA, but $11MM per season for Lilly. Just wow. I don't buy that figure. Newsday is reporting a reporting, but nobody has seen this alleged report to which they refer. I'll need some confirmation from a second source before I trust Newday on this. I would not doubt pandering for one of the New York teams is going on in that quip. I think they're just using the max predictions from everybody. A few sources came in today and said he was asking 11 per. It's been known for a while he's looking for 4 years. If they heard we were close, it'd be natural to assume we're near 4/44. I'm gonna be pissed if it's more than 4/32... and I'll probably be pissed even if it's that.

I tend to agree with baseball7897 in the vein that Jennings is overrated and Marquis underrated (though only if he comes at a significant economic discount). However, I don't believe for a moment that Marquis is a safer bet than Jennings. All things being equal, if we can get Jennings for spare parts, I'd love to have him... if not, I'm not wanting to use things of real value to us for Jennings or more than a trivial amount of money on a minor league deal for Marquis.

To assume GM's are that intelligent is a risky proposition. Have you met Ned Coletti? I haven't but I would be interested in hearing about the times you have met him. Perhaps another time. I'd like you to meet my friend humor first.

To assume GM's are that intelligent is a risky proposition. Have you met Ned Coletti?

Church would be perfect for CF. He's one of the few guys out there on the market I'd actually prefer to Jacque. (Though Soriano should be in CF and we should be looking for a RF... or just a good platoonmate for Jones )

Efficient? It takes him sooo many pitches per plate appearance just to get his thing done. Now Juan Pierre, that guy was efficient! You see the way he grounded out to second on the first pitch? Phenomenal!

Eric Milton? Yes?

Nothing wrong with a good TTO player, just so long as the HR/PA and BB/PA ratios are acceptible... which Dunn's certainly are.

Sorry, my two slot is reserved for Lugo. Dunn bats 5th. Well then where are you putting ARod or Tejada?

God, Dunn would look great batting in the #2 slot. Soriano Dunn DLee ARam Barrett

Sweet... You only had to say his name once. Most of the time you have to repeat it three times while looking into a mirror. You must have a gift.

Yep. At that pace, a Modzilla sighting is not far off. Do not speak that name aloud! I have no desire to face death today.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lillyte01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml He said, "explain," not "post links." If you have an opinion, bring it here. And if he has a problem with me posting links providing the obvious explanation, allow him to defend himself. Otherwise, mind your own business. Well maybe I would like to hear your explanation. Here's a thought: maybe other posters thought the same thing! Until you know what I'm thinking, STFU, and http://community.allhiphop.com/images/smilies/aktion034.gif Someone with 170 posts needs a timeout. Now. Is this the same kid who snapped in the Brad Radke thread?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lillyte01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml He said, "explain," not "post links." If you have an opinion, bring it here. And if he has a problem with me posting links providing the obvious explanation, allow him to defend himself. Otherwise, mind your own business. Well maybe I would like to hear your explanation. Here's a thought: maybe other posters thought the same thing! Until you know what I'm thinking, STFU, and http://community.allhiphop.com/images/smilies/aktion034.gif That is most certainly out of line.

Any news on Church being available? I would definitely be more interested in him than Lofton or Lugo for CF. Church has some pop in his bat, and also gets on base at a fairly decent clip. Aside from Jim Bowden's blatant dislike of him, I havent really heard anything.

You may be right, but if the a good opportunity came up to acquire Tejada or ARod, I think you would see Hendry fall out of love with him very quickly. Probably. Maybe Hendry is thinking Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then deal Izzy? Maybe get lucky and Izzy does semi-decent which turns in to some trade value? I'm trying to think this through on Jim's behalf, but I'm having difficulty with the apparent infatuation with putting Lugo in CF... Izzy is a free agent after this season. There's a team option for 08 on the deal. We could pick up the option and move him somewhere.

Of what's readily available, I'd prefer Ryan Church over Lofton, just because it'd be nice to have some pop. But Lofton isn't a horrible option. It'd be real nice to get somebody on base in front of Lee and Ramirez.

Coletti just got done signing Juan Pierre to a 5 year, 44 million dollar deal.

I think he can be Lyle Overbay if somebody gives him a chance. While that's not necessarily great, it's got some value, to be sure.

So according to that Cliff Floyd is a Type-A free agent? I'm not all that keen on the compensation picks. Does that mean if we sign him we'd have to give up a 1st round pick? Nope. The Mets didn't offer Floyd arbitration.

and Schmidt's career up until 28 or 29 is indistiguishable from Padilla's career up until now. so which is more likely, Schmidt taking off and taking the triple crown, or Padilla stepping up and having three years like Schmidt did at Padilla's age? and where are you getting your info? baseballreference has Schmidt's most similar by age as Jack McDowell, Ramon Martinez, and Bartolo Colon. not that I agree with that, but that's a large disparity in similarity rankings between those guys and Clemens. but I think the comparison to Clemens is absurd in any regard. Clemens had 6 seasons of 154 or better ERA+ by the time he was Schmidt's age, and hoping that Schmidt will follow the same path as Clemens into the future is foolhearty. choosing one freak as a basis of comparison gets us nowhere. Got the info from BP. I trust their list more than baseball-reference. And personally, I don't think Schmidt getting the triple crown is likely, nor do I think Padilla stepping up to Schmidt's level is much more likely. I was only using the comparison to show that guys like Schmidt are able to pitch well fairly late into their careers. Schmidt has a lot of interesting names on his list of comps... Jack Morris Mike Scott Roger Clemens Todd Stottlemyer Early Wynn Bob Gibson Sonny Siebert Mark Langston Steve Carlton Tom Seaver Stottlemyer and Langston are the only ones who didn't pitch well after age 33. And Stottlemyer was never as good as Schmidt to begin with...

I just have to point this out. Schmidt's #3 comprable is Roger Clemens. In Clemens' age 31 season he went 170.2 innings with an ERA at 2.85. In Schmidt's age 31 season hew went 225 innings with an ERA at 3.20. In Clemens' age 32 season he went 140 innings with an ERA at 4.18 In Schmidt's age 32 season he went 172 innings with an ERA at 4.40 In Clemens' age 33 season he went 242.2 innings with an ERA at 3.63 In Schmidt's age 33 season he went 213.3 innings with an ERA at 3.59 In Clemens' age 34 and 35 seasons he won the pitching triple crown. Just something to chew on...

Does Lilly deserve 35 million? NO. Does Batista deserve 20 million? NO. Does Suppan deserve 35 million? NO. Does Zito deserve 100 million? NO. Does Meche deserve 30 million? NO. None of the guys on the market deserve what they are going to get. Schmidt is closest to deserving his actual pricetag...

Before the Soriano signing, I was of the mind that a Nixon/Craig Wilson platoon would give you very good production out of RF. As is, I still could go for Nixon. I'd just rather him be the 4th outfielder who gives Murton a break against really tough righties than have him be in a strict platoon with Murton. In other words, my manlove for Murton exceeds my manlove for Nixon. Just so long as having Nixon doesn't mean considerably less Murton, I'd love to have him on the squad.