Rob

Nothing wrong with a good TTO player, just so long as the HR/PA and BB/PA ratios are acceptible... which Dunn's certainly are.

Sorry, my two slot is reserved for Lugo. Dunn bats 5th. Well then where are you putting ARod or Tejada?

God, Dunn would look great batting in the #2 slot. Soriano Dunn DLee ARam Barrett

Sweet... You only had to say his name once. Most of the time you have to repeat it three times while looking into a mirror. You must have a gift.

Yep. At that pace, a Modzilla sighting is not far off. Do not speak that name aloud! I have no desire to face death today.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lillyte01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml He said, "explain," not "post links." If you have an opinion, bring it here. And if he has a problem with me posting links providing the obvious explanation, allow him to defend himself. Otherwise, mind your own business. Well maybe I would like to hear your explanation. Here's a thought: maybe other posters thought the same thing! Until you know what I'm thinking, STFU, and http://community.allhiphop.com/images/smilies/aktion034.gif Someone with 170 posts needs a timeout. Now. Is this the same kid who snapped in the Brad Radke thread?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/lillyte01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/padilvi01.shtml He said, "explain," not "post links." If you have an opinion, bring it here. And if he has a problem with me posting links providing the obvious explanation, allow him to defend himself. Otherwise, mind your own business. Well maybe I would like to hear your explanation. Here's a thought: maybe other posters thought the same thing! Until you know what I'm thinking, STFU, and http://community.allhiphop.com/images/smilies/aktion034.gif That is most certainly out of line.

Any news on Church being available? I would definitely be more interested in him than Lofton or Lugo for CF. Church has some pop in his bat, and also gets on base at a fairly decent clip. Aside from Jim Bowden's blatant dislike of him, I havent really heard anything.

You may be right, but if the a good opportunity came up to acquire Tejada or ARod, I think you would see Hendry fall out of love with him very quickly. Probably. Maybe Hendry is thinking Lugo in CF until Pie is ready, then deal Izzy? Maybe get lucky and Izzy does semi-decent which turns in to some trade value? I'm trying to think this through on Jim's behalf, but I'm having difficulty with the apparent infatuation with putting Lugo in CF... Izzy is a free agent after this season. There's a team option for 08 on the deal. We could pick up the option and move him somewhere.

Of what's readily available, I'd prefer Ryan Church over Lofton, just because it'd be nice to have some pop. But Lofton isn't a horrible option. It'd be real nice to get somebody on base in front of Lee and Ramirez.

Coletti just got done signing Juan Pierre to a 5 year, 44 million dollar deal.

I think he can be Lyle Overbay if somebody gives him a chance. While that's not necessarily great, it's got some value, to be sure.

So according to that Cliff Floyd is a Type-A free agent? I'm not all that keen on the compensation picks. Does that mean if we sign him we'd have to give up a 1st round pick? Nope. The Mets didn't offer Floyd arbitration.

and Schmidt's career up until 28 or 29 is indistiguishable from Padilla's career up until now. so which is more likely, Schmidt taking off and taking the triple crown, or Padilla stepping up and having three years like Schmidt did at Padilla's age? and where are you getting your info? baseballreference has Schmidt's most similar by age as Jack McDowell, Ramon Martinez, and Bartolo Colon. not that I agree with that, but that's a large disparity in similarity rankings between those guys and Clemens. but I think the comparison to Clemens is absurd in any regard. Clemens had 6 seasons of 154 or better ERA+ by the time he was Schmidt's age, and hoping that Schmidt will follow the same path as Clemens into the future is foolhearty. choosing one freak as a basis of comparison gets us nowhere. Got the info from BP. I trust their list more than baseball-reference. And personally, I don't think Schmidt getting the triple crown is likely, nor do I think Padilla stepping up to Schmidt's level is much more likely. I was only using the comparison to show that guys like Schmidt are able to pitch well fairly late into their careers. Schmidt has a lot of interesting names on his list of comps... Jack Morris Mike Scott Roger Clemens Todd Stottlemyer Early Wynn Bob Gibson Sonny Siebert Mark Langston Steve Carlton Tom Seaver Stottlemyer and Langston are the only ones who didn't pitch well after age 33. And Stottlemyer was never as good as Schmidt to begin with...

I just have to point this out. Schmidt's #3 comprable is Roger Clemens. In Clemens' age 31 season he went 170.2 innings with an ERA at 2.85. In Schmidt's age 31 season hew went 225 innings with an ERA at 3.20. In Clemens' age 32 season he went 140 innings with an ERA at 4.18 In Schmidt's age 32 season he went 172 innings with an ERA at 4.40 In Clemens' age 33 season he went 242.2 innings with an ERA at 3.63 In Schmidt's age 33 season he went 213.3 innings with an ERA at 3.59 In Clemens' age 34 and 35 seasons he won the pitching triple crown. Just something to chew on...

Does Lilly deserve 35 million? NO. Does Batista deserve 20 million? NO. Does Suppan deserve 35 million? NO. Does Zito deserve 100 million? NO. Does Meche deserve 30 million? NO. None of the guys on the market deserve what they are going to get. Schmidt is closest to deserving his actual pricetag...

Before the Soriano signing, I was of the mind that a Nixon/Craig Wilson platoon would give you very good production out of RF. As is, I still could go for Nixon. I'd just rather him be the 4th outfielder who gives Murton a break against really tough righties than have him be in a strict platoon with Murton. In other words, my manlove for Murton exceeds my manlove for Nixon. Just so long as having Nixon doesn't mean considerably less Murton, I'd love to have him on the squad.

What happened to Murton, do they not know that he's on our roster? I didn't even notice that part. I'm assuming such a series of events would leave the lineup looking like: Soriano Lugo Lee Ramirez Barrett Murton DeRosa Izturis That is not something I'd like to see. I don't mind it if our rotation is: Z Schmidt Jennings Hill Prior/Miller Westbrook > Jennings Shoot for the stars, man.

Looking at price and production. Schmidt >>>>> Padilla >> Lilly >> Marquis >> Suppan >> Batista >> Meche Marquis slides up the curve because of price, while Suppan slides down it for the same reason. Aside from that, it's pretty much a straight valuation of production. That's how I see it at least. My "you better not even mess with those guys for that money, just play the young guys" line falls somewhere in the Lilly/Marquis area of the map. Some days I have no problems with Lilly for 8-9 mil, others I do. I will always have a problem with us signing Lilly to this contract so early if it precludes us from signing Schmidt, however. There is absolutely no reason to sign a 4th starter to a deal that keeps us from getting a top-tier guy. None. Lilly is the kind of guy you sign in late January, once the big names have all packed their suitcases. Not in December.

He's better than Gil Meche. Ted Lilly is not a good pitcher. And how is he a better option than Gil Meche? Since when is a 4.31 ERA, 15-13 "not a good pitcher"? Pitching many games against the boston and new york line-ups mind you as well. Move him into the NL Central and it's easy to see why he is a good option. 5 of 7 starts in 06 vs Bos/NYY he let up 3 ER or less. Must be good to do well against those line-ups! :lol: Just bunking your contextualization that Lilly's #s should be better not having to pitch in the AL east. Then I counter good sir, not facing DH's in the NL!! HA HAAA!! Lilly is a pitcher with a high walk rate and flyball tendencies... you really want to bring that to Wrigley? How have all those other pitchers that fit the exact same profile worked out for us?

Essentially, that's the impression most of us have.

Willis is available in a trade. Petitte is still out there.

Cause "not that good of a player" >>>>>>> Izturis

More livable, but then you have to get rid of Izturis somehow. Cover him in honey and march him off into the woods?

I'm not huge on Jennings... but he's certainly a good value for Jones.