Neat debate tactic you've got there. Mind if I try using it against you? ...ahem "My experiences say the exact opposite of the crap you're espousing. And, since I have no need of any data to back up my claim, don't even bother trying to contradict me." Not sure what to tell you. If you want to start documenting the incidents, be my guest. It's not a tactic - it's all I've got. Apparently, I'm not the only one noticing these things, am I? FergieJ31 pointed out that he's been going to games for 25 years and that he's noticed more incidents in the past 5 years by far. Care to call his point crap as well? I'm saying that our memories are far too tainted by selective perception or even just the passing of time to believe in anything so subjective as how fans behave in certain places... especially considering the small sample sizes involved. I mean, what are we talking about here? The 20 fans closest to you in a couple dozen ballgames spread out over 5 different parks? Let's be serious... that tells us absolutely nothing. If you chose to sit in the upper decks at wrigley, the bleachers, or those posh seats directly behind home plate, you'd come away with entirely different experiences. You, Fergie, myself, and even Marty simply aren't equipped to make very good judgments based on such random information.