Rob

Neifi's only full season with us was significantly better than Ryan Theriot's 2010 has been. Think about it.

Does Hendry not understand how this process works? is there something i'm missing here? i really feel like i just must not understand the process very well, cause offering him arbitration kind of seems like a no-brainer When a player accepts an offer of arbitration, they are bound to a one year contract. Each side submits a figure, and if a compromise on salary cannot be reached, an arbitrator decides which person made the more compelling argument and awards the figure they requested. (Most everybody already knows this, I'm just trying to be clear). However, the absolute lowest salary that a team can offer is 80% of the player's previous year salary. (This changed from 90% in the last CBA). Therefore, the absolute lowest amount of salary Ted Lilly could have ended up with was 80% of his 12 million salary this year, or 9.6 million dollars. There is certainly a degree of risk in offering a player a contract when you know you'll have to pay them between 9.6 million and whatever number it is they decide to submit. That is, of course, assuming they accept the offer. Most offers of arbitration are made when it is assumed the player will be offered a lucrative multiyear deal elsewhere... hence making the prospect of a one year contract less appealing to them. I would have assumed Lilly would get a 2-4 year contract offer. So I'm not quite sure why we wouldn't offer. But there could be an underlying medical condition that we were afraid would affect his FA appeal.

The real irony in all this is that he didn't actually upset me. I was just practicing my imb impression.

Yeah, they're in a rough spot. Bad farm system and bad major league team.

This wasn't a bad deadline. In the last 24 hours, Roy Oswalt, Lance Berkman, Ted Lilly, and others were traded. In 2005, the big deadline move in MLB was our acquisition of Matt Lawton. Kyle Farnsworth and Ron Villone were the others of note that were traded.

Lambo already has two drug-related suspensions under his belt. One more and he's out. I did not realize drugs of abuse had the same penalty structure as PEDs. Nevermind.

Okay, the Dodgers gave up Andrew Lambo and James McDonald for Octavio Dotel. Now this deal sucks.

There was nowhere near that level of hate. You're just misconstruing the times when people would point out he's not very good.

Given the returns for guys like Haren and Oswalt, I'm pretty happy with this return. Not a huge DeWitt fan, but he could be interesting as he enters his prime. And the young arms are interesting. All in all, we got a bit more than the expected value from keeping Lilly and hoping he stays healthy and effective enough to produce a couple draft picks. I'll give the trade a B. It gets better if we flip DeWitt or Fontenot.

I'd have some interest in Cole St. Clair as the AA pitcher, but I'd be disappointed if he and DeWitt was the return.

I wanted to pick him up after the Braves let him go for nothing.

I wouldn't have made the move, but I don't see it as making a huge difference.

HOCUS POCUS, HE SAID.

Imagine what Paul Sullivan woulda said.

I was not aware that the Dodger Blues forum was in such a state.

Wow. Deal looks better for the stros now.

I really think it's time for a mid-season prospect list. Every single thread lately has been veering off into one anyways.

Type-A draft picks. If they're desperate and will take a #4 type pitcher for Werth, you can get Werth for an expendable pitcher you wouldn't mind parting with (who likely wouldn't be that great if he's a #4) and let Werth walk and take draft picks. I honestly don't care or not, but the thought did pop in my mind. So the plan is to give up a #4 pitcher, spend a bunch of money this year on a guy that has no position, offer arbitration and risk being in the same situation all of next year, all for a couple draft picks that might not even be in the first 30 (assuming Werth remains a Type A despite a poor 2010)? Seems a whole lot easier, cheaper and much less risky just to draft an extra overslot first-round talent or two in the 2nd-10th rounds. Wait wait wait. On what planet has Jayson Werth had a poor 2010 season?

Hey guys, remember when Jose Reyes moved to 2B so Kaz Matsui could play SS? Argue about whether that one is analogous or not for a while.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"? They sure could, and they'd probably get it. But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus. Those aren't mutually exclusive. It's not like you are allowed only one concession. They could be mutually exclusive. Leverage only extends so far.

Couldn't a guy just say, "OK if you want me to waive my 10/5 rights, then you need to add a NTC to my contract"? They sure could, and they'd probably get it. But they're using their leverage on that instead of something else which might have a more tangible value... say an assignment bonus.

20 Lmao no try 24 Actually, the league has cracked down reaaalllly hard after all the embarrassments they had back when the news broke that everybody was older than their stated ages.

would be a bit redundant, but i guess i can't put it past Hendry anyway. It'd actually be a good move by Hendry to give DLee a full NTC with a new deal. It might cut down the cost and the 10/5 rights would make it irrelevant. Why would it cut down the cost? NTC's have value. Even when the player already has 10/5 rights.

I don't think so. Kendall and Pierre were Type B FAs who netted the Cubs an extra draft pick apiece, but that's about it, from my memory. To be quite honest, I'm not sure what to make of this information...if anything. With talented players performing well, the Cubs tend hand out extensions when those players' contracts are expiring (Lee, Ramirez, Zambrano, etc.). Most of the players the Cubs have traded away were pretty much at the nadir of their careers and didn't merit much, if anything, in the way of compensation as free agents (Michael Barrett, Sammy Sosa, Corey Patterson, Greg Maddux). And we only got the Kendall comp pick because he signed so early, IIRC.

There really ought to be a feigned surprise smiley.