The level of play in the Euroleague is better than Division 1 college basketball, and it has been for a while now. you're now making the same unproveable, relative statements you accuse me of making. is that a pet theory of yours? :P Not of mine. It's a widely held belief of the APBRmetrics community based on comparison studies. Is that a pet theory of yours, or do you have some examples that back that up in terms of PER? what do you mean, my theory that players' skill and experience increases with playing time? i'm sorry, that's another crazy statement on my part. No, that players' PERs jump significantly with increased playing time. Same question as above. players like dirk, peja, ginobilli, tony parker, and mehmet okur all have had PER's that have drastically imrpoved since their rookie seasons. That phenominon isn't close to being limited to Europeon players, and it's Thabo's starting point that has me so down on his future. For instance, Okur's PER jumped from 14.7 to 18.3. Parker's 11.7 to 16.5. Manu's 14.7 to 18.5. If Thabo's PER jumps almost 5 full points like Parker's did, he still will be well below the NBA average of 15.