Well the only way he would include Harden is if he got Santana. He wouldn't do the deal without Santana. But if he was giving up Harden for just Santana, he wouldnt include Liriano or Andy LaRoche. I eventually decided to trade Santana and Prior and got back Andy LaRoche, Liriano, McCarthy, and Harden. I know McCarthy wasn't great last year in the minors but I'd hardly call a 3.92 ERA with 130 K's to only 32 BB in only 119.3 IP in AAA "sucking big time". I think he's going to be a very good setup man this year and eventually move into the rotation. Liriano is just filthy. I expect him to move into the rotation by the end of the year, or at worst, the start of next year. Harden isn't as good as Santana, but he isn't too far behind. Andy LaRoche is a top 20 prospect and arguably the best 3b prospect. Considering I have Todd Walker, Aaron Boone, and Frank Thomas as my best options for my IF and Util Positions, I really could use LaRoche. It was a very tough decision, but I got a ton of talent back. As you maybe know, Liriano is said by everyone in the Twins organization to look very similar, if not better, than Santana at the same age. I think the trade hurts me a little bit this year (assuming Prior would come back and be healthy) but I think I'll come out the winner in this trade in the long run. I also agree with what you are saying about Valentin. I was offered Brian McCann for Rafael Soriano, but I'm hesitant on it. I really like Soriano as a setup man and I think by the end of the year, he'll be closer. I think between Lieberthal and Valentin, I should be fine. I think it was a good trade. You got a pirate's booty for two players. And my comment regarding McCarthy sucking big time was definitely overblown. I didn't really follow how well he did after about 1/4-1/3rd of the way through the season, but I'm pretty sure he was sucking big time (like 5ish ERA) at that point in the season. I think Liriano will get into the rotation before you think. Gardenhire is already talking to the papers about it. All it takes is one Lohse tantrum or maybe even two more bad starts for Liriano to get his chance. I think if you break the trade down, Harden for Prior favors you, Liriano, LaRoche, McCarthy for Santana is about even. And the best part about it, if Liriano does get a job in the next month, you dont lose any IP for 2006.