Five years ago, you could still believe in wins as a stat and simply be considered behind the times. But if you don't have some sort of evidence that you were in a coma, monastary, or frozen Encino Man style, we have to assume that you're choosing to remain ignorant rather than attempt intelligent conversation. Stop wasting our time. Sorry, Rob. But you and your confused ilk have yet to provide any stat that is more important than wins for a starting pitcher, especially one that is paid over $18 million a year. What's more important WHIP? :wink: Other stats have importance but not to the degree of wins. Your expectations seem quite low and indicative of your understanding. So then tell me this: Although I'll grant you that wins are a factor when considering the elite pitchers of the time (300 wins is an automatic ticket to Cooperstown, but only because you have to be a great pitcher to stick around long enough to accumulate 300 wins), answer me this question: I'll give you the stat lines of two pitchers. Tell me which had the better year. Pitcher A) 8-16 record, 2.76 ERA, 142 ERA+, 270 K's, 1.139 WHIP Pitcher B) 19-9 record, 4.85 ERA, 90 ERA+, 136 K's, 1.397 WHIP