Yeti

oh how i hate fox and the yankees

Well a pitcher does require a lot of body parts working in motion in order to throw 95 miles an hour with pinpoint control. If one piece isn't working, it can mess up everything else. same goes for a quarterback, but they play hurt. They also get pulverized by 280 lb. monsters every Sunday. baseball players play 162 games, football...not so many.

he was horrible and i'm sure he cant even be that good anymore

there's nothing that says "we're not watching the game" like the wave

thank gawd we dont have to see Cotts pitch to Prince

Bob Uker thought that was gone for sure, i'm guessing it was a nice catch.

If there weren't already two outs, I'd say the odds are about .643 haha, i see what you did there!

who the hell is Havlat? The other Chicago Superstar that is made of glass, runs in the family doesn't it? never heard of him. he plays hockey

BOOOO!!!

Especially when Prince has a .750 avg against him. and all his hits are homers

Lou needs to stop trotting Cotts out against Fielder just cause he's a lefty.

how many more times are we going have to see Cotts walk/give up dingers to Fielder, this year?

dammit, my cable company dont carry wgn.... dammit not drunk driving anymore...otherwise id go to a bar to watch....guesss i'm listening to the painful stros radio guys on xm

what he said

the upside is that the crowd ought to be mellow and be easy on the field

every time this thread gets bumped, i come with high hopes that it will be someone i wannna see and can see, just to find the same tired thread...no offense to ya'll

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced. I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number. ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee I'm fine with your disagreement, but I sit more on the side of the fence that Goony does regarding Maddux leaving. Either Himes or Cub ownership dropped the ball. He should have been signed to a long term deal before he ever became a free agent, let alone playing games with him after he became one. and i cant disagree with you here, im just still a little bitter

my apologies... i lost focus for a while there... go mark go!!! i really want to see that guy succeed EDIT: just so long it's not against us in the playoffs

I always look at it more as Larry Himes letting him go than him leaving. I think Maddux was willing to stay, but Himes screwed it up. Hey, Fergie spent much of his career away from the Cubs. meh, not married to this argument....come back to the drug discussion lol

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced. I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number. ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreeei havent met you, but i'm curious why you disagree. their numbers are very, very similar. and as bbb pointed out, fergie pitched in a better era for pitchers. considering that, you could argue that maddux was actually better than fergie. i'm not prepared to do so one way or the other, but i'm sure an argument could be made either way. that said, why do you take issue with two very, very similar players each being given the same honor? something about maddux leaving the cubs for more money, right when we really needed him, to go have a sick career with another team b4 coming back to us when he was on the downs

Fergie also pitched in a more friendly pitching climate than Greg did. Since Fergie retired, ball parks have shrunk, baseball's became more juiced, and the players themselves became more juiced. I'm a bigger fan of Fergie than Maddux, but I don't have an issue with both of their names being retired with that number. ive met you, like you as a person as well as your family i met(wife) but i have to respectfully disagreee

No, it's not. He was with this team for FOUR YEARS. Two of which, as pointed out above, he was "league average." The Cubs are retiring his number completely based on what he did with another team, and that's stupid. I mean, at the end of the day, I like maddux, and I wont have a problem with his name flying above Wrigley. But when it comes down to it, that number should belong to Fergie. <<

I agree that based on his total numbers with the Cubs, Maddux shouldn't have his number retired. But to say he had "2 seasons of bad, old, overrated Maddux" is not sound reasoning. Looking at his numbers in his 2nd stint with the Cubs, he was essentially league average during that stint. His ERAs during his 2nd stint with the Cubs were 4.02, 4.24, and 4.69 with his short stint during his final yr in Chicago. His whips during those yrs were 1.18, 1.22, 1.29. His ERA+ were 109, 104, and 99. So no, I would not call his second stint "bad, old, overrated Maddux", he was league average. i think he's speaking relatively to the rest of his career....there is no reason Maddux's # should be retired by the cubs....fergie on the other hand....it will be a shame if they wreck fergies day by mentioning maddux Maybe he was, but he made it sound like Maddux was the 2nd coming of Shawn Estes or something, but in reality he was an league average pitcher. Maddux was ridiculous during his prime, and to compare Maddux at 40 something to when he was late 20s to mid 30s, is not right. Something tells me, Fergie is not going to have a problem if the Cubs decide to retired Maddux's number along with his. you know, i love maddux as much as the next guy, but he wasnt a cub for the best part of his career... fergie was a cub for 10 yrs....the salad days of his careeer the braves need to retire greg's number... he diddnt do enuff for the cubs to deserve his number to be retired in chicago

the idea gives me wood

no they dont, they lay hens. and you need to learn how to take coffee or just turn in your penis