I agree that based on his total numbers with the Cubs, Maddux shouldn't have his number retired. But to say he had "2 seasons of bad, old, overrated Maddux" is not sound reasoning. Looking at his numbers in his 2nd stint with the Cubs, he was essentially league average during that stint. His ERAs during his 2nd stint with the Cubs were 4.02, 4.24, and 4.69 with his short stint during his final yr in Chicago. His whips during those yrs were 1.18, 1.22, 1.29. His ERA+ were 109, 104, and 99. So no, I would not call his second stint "bad, old, overrated Maddux", he was league average. i think he's speaking relatively to the rest of his career....there is no reason Maddux's # should be retired by the cubs....fergie on the other hand....it will be a shame if they wreck fergies day by mentioning maddux