Wow, a guy with a 6.02 ERA has 14 wins on the year. Unbelievable. He's nearly won fifteen games. How can anyone say he's had a bad year? :lol: On a serious note, leaving aside the pointlessness of talking about win/loss for pitchers, it's always bugged me that people look at win totals to judge a guy, over w%. A 16-14 season will get more attention than a 10-3 season. If a guy wins 15 games, it's considered an accomplishment, but if he loses 15, it's ignored. If a team is just about .500 when a guy pitches, they still talk about what a good job he did as long as he's won more than 12 games. You hear stuff like, "well, he struggled with a 4.85 ERA, but he still won 14". Who cares about win totals? If anything it's w/l, but it should be neither. Well said - I absolutely agree. When it comes to pitcher stats, in order or importance: WHIP > ERA+ > W/L % > Wins