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No one has done that but you. There are always outlliers in any data set. However, the evidence is completely and overwhealmingly conclusive that high pitches per inning and innings pitched are related to future arm problems. And perhaps more damning, future inefecitveness. Your insistnace that things be "proven" conclusive is both irrational and foolish. It's like the cigerrette companies stating that somking doesn't cause cancer.

Guess who was head of player development and scouting right before Hendry took over as GM? He's a delegator. It's the guys on the ground that aren't doing their jobs. Holy smokes. If that isn't the biggest cop-out BS remark I've ever read in reference to Hendry and his performance then I don't know what is. It sounds like something that would come out of this Administration regarding the war in Iraq. Even with all this supposed talent and close to 100 million dollar payroll the Cubs made they playoffs once. And never managed to win 90 games. This year they almost lost 100. The Cubs have done nothing but go backwards since Hendry was given the job of GM

Studies to define correlary are not peformed by picking names out of a control pool that support your theory. Sorry, it doesn't fly. What are you talking about? Forget it, you have no idea what you are talking about. Here is something for you to chew on http://www.baseball-analysis.com/article.php?articleid=148 Check out the bolded names. Here is another one http://www.baseballprospectus.com/current/pap2003.htm Check the top of the list Here is a study done by pedromartinezfan (it's about half way down) http://forums.nyyfans.com/archive/index.php/t-83481.html You want more?

As utterly random and baseless as you can get. jason shmidt http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schmija01.shtml Curt Schilling http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml Randy Johnson http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsra05.shtml Pedro Martinez (see years 2001 and 2006) http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/martipe02.shtml The infamous Ernie Brogilo (traded for Lou Brock) http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brogler01.shtml You can look up the rest. The number of innings and the increased likelihood of injury is self-evident. Sorry, but what does this prove? Am I supposed to now go and find a half-dozen players with 3000+ pitch counts over several years who haven't been injured? This is the most irrational way to present an argument you could come up with...you're just plucking random pitchers to try and support a claim. Are you kidding me. These pitchers aren't random at all. They have all been highly effective and pitched a lot of innings before being injured. All have similar "traits" as big Z. You want to talk about irrational? Denying that Z's abuse may affect his future performance is about as irrational as it gets.

As utterly random and baseless as you can get. jason shmidt http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schmija01.shtml Curt Schilling http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/schilcu01.shtml Randy Johnson http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/johnsra05.shtml Pedro Martinez (see years 2001 and 2006) http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/martipe02.shtml The infamous Ernie Brogilo (traded for Lou Brock) http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/brogler01.shtml You can look up the rest. The number of innings and the increased likelihood of injury is self-evident.

Why?

Many reasons: writers like hustle and trying, and you can't write a story without saying Pierre hustles and tries hard while Ramirez doesn't writers like picking on the "new" baseball where homeruns are big deals, and they really like guys who just put the ball in play writers like the bunt and stolen base and think of them as lost arts pierre played on a WS winner, and Ramirez has played for the Cubs and Pirates. If there's one things writers will fall back on more than anything else, it's the notion that players are winners or losers depending on which teams they've played on. None of those reasons account for the real, primary reason: Ramirez is a run prodcuer and Pierre is not. When Lee went down with injury, Ramirez (and nobody else really) was expected to pick up the slack as the primary run prodcuer, which he didn't. I'm not justifying the argument either way, that's just my view on the their reasoning. It's really frickin hard to produce runs when no one is on base in front of you and no one who can hit his weight is batting behind you. During his slide Aramis wasn't given anything to hit. Instead of being paitent he expanded his zone and started swinging at pitches he shouldn't. Even so, IIRC he had around career norms for walks. Aramis was a victim of circumstances, not the cause of them.

The threat of injury doesn't disappear after you've pitched for a couple seasons. Nor does it magically appear due to pitch counts that have been consistant across numerous years. Exceot if your Jason Shmidt, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, David Wells, Ernie Briollio, and pretty much any pitcher.

Why should anyone have to say anything positive about a team that lost damn near 100 games with damn near $100 million dollar payroll? There isn't anytihing positive to say except Dusty was fired. He should have been fired before the all-star break.

Yes they are. You are what your record says you are. They will be bad again if Hendry doesn't get better playrs.

Someone on a bankrupt radio station making you feel like a laughing stock? Something's def. wrong there. That's the point isn't it.

Kent Jones of Air America Radio, on The Rachel Maddo Show (of all places) just reported that the Cubs will pursue A-Rod in the off-season. I wouldn't put too much faith in the report but I thought I'd pass it along as it is not the usual thing that Air America reports. Jones then went on to make fun of the Cubs, as has virtually every reporter who has talked about the Cubs in the past week. "Yankee fans could be heard rejoicing at the news as A-Rod went 1 for 14 in the playoffs this year. If A-Rod goes 1 for 14 with the Cubs in the playoffs, Cubs fans will be saying 'hey were in the playoffs!" I hate being a laughing stock.

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich Well, it's commonly known that Hendry was the one who put the whole thing together, and got all the teams involved. I don't see how I'm giving him too much credit by saying that he's had experience in successfully orchestrating a four team trade for a marquee player. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I am not criticizing Hendry. What I'm saying is that Hendry took advantage of a situation where players probably had to be traded. I don't think it took that much "outside of the box" thinking to put any of those trades together. However, I also think that the A-Rod situation is somewhat like the Nomar situation. Hendry has shown he is able to make these types of trades work. He got rid of Sammy He got Nomar He got Lee He got Aramis He has a good track record in these matters.

I think you're giving a little too much credit to Hendry for "putting together" the trade for Nomar. It is my belief that Nomar would have been traded to some team, Hendry just worked out the best possible deal for Nomar. I mean, all they got for him was Doug Menkavich Nomar was like Sammy. He was an outcast on the team and had to be dealt. Now, having written that, it seems that A-Rod is in a similar situation to Nomar. I don't know how desparate Cashman is to get rid of A-Rod though. I think Epstine was very keen on getting rid of Nomar. Regardless, Hendry is the king of the buzzards. He can pick up good players who are going to be traded. He got Aramis and Lee in salary dumps when no other team was able to make the trade happen. I hope Hendry recognizes the situation for what it is, A-Rod is damaged goods, he shouldn't have to give up too much to get him. If he does get A-Rod I hope he doesn't overpay.

I know its fourth hand, and I know its ESPN. Large grain of salt. Not that this means anything, but at least its on topic which is progress for me. It (the tradng of A-Rod) could happen and have nothing to do with the Cubs.

OK, Thomas. :lol: That's St. Thomas Banedon to you. :D

The Cubs should offer a package like this: (and nothing more) Hill and pay all of A-Rod's contrac Any two ML ready starters not named Hill, Prior or Zambraon and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract Pie and ML ready starter not named Hill, Prior, or Zambrano and pay 10 Million of A-Rod's contract. They got him for Soriano and got the Rangers to pay for a chunck of his contract. The Yankees have no leverage here. The Cubs should not have to sell high to get him. If the Yankees are asking for more, they don't really want to deal him. Hendry needs to be smart here. A-Rod is persona non-grata in NY. Edit: If the Yankees want one of the middle reilivers in the deal they can have their pick. They are a dime a dozen.

Will someone please explain to me why people still think of Soriano as a leadoff hitter? Will someone please explain to me why Hendry is going after Carlos Lee?

ND will be takine the West Virgina rout to the BCS title game from now on.

Are you sure, I haven't seen that reported anywhere? No, I'm just going on what I read on page 1,2 or 3 of this thread? :D But if it is true, I cannot believe it.

If getting Pineilla improves the odds of getting A-Rod (which I doubt it does) then I'm happy. But put me in the camp of "I'll wait and see what talent Hendry brings in". Not even John McGraw, Connie Mack, or Casey Stengel could have won with the sad bunch that wore the uniform last year. I cannot believe that Rothschild will be back next year.

I wouldn't be surprized if Dunn is in Houston next year. Either at first or in LF.

Don't forget the firebrand manager who won't put up with no crap no-how. Sweet Lou is a more intense version of Dusty Baker. Jim will have, once again, got wrong man. Can anyone imagine what Lou's reaction will be to the first Marrotti column after a four game losing streak? If Lou is hired, my only hope is that somehow Hendry can bring in enough talent so that bad decisions can be overcome. I am hopeful but not optimistic. I really hope this rumor is not ture.

Hendry has been gambling every season on long shots. It's time for a couple bets on favorites. You only catch lightning in a bottle every once in a blue moon.

Just when I think things cannot possibly get any worse.