Cardinals Bow Out Of Giles Race, Enter Dotel's

[RockTheIvy]

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I haven't been around these boards lately due to the incessant sniping at Hendry. I can understand the loathing towards Baker, but why Hendry? Is it just 'popular' around here to badmouth him or what?

 

Hendry misses the big picture, and that bothers some of us more than others, and some of us are more intellectually honest than others.

 

Signing middle relievers to long and expensive contracts makes no economic sense. You all know the arguments by now. It's not like the Cubs have unlimited payroll.

 

He pays way more than minimum to players like Perez and Macias and Blanco. Hendry perceives a lack of available mediocre talent. In all his talk about depth he doesn't understand that great frontline talent is immeasurably more important.

 

Yeah, Baker is awful. But when Hendry signs Macias and Perez, and lets Baker carry 12 pitchers, well he is an "enabler."

 

Some poster has a great sig. "Jim Hendry: Overpaying for mediocrity since 2004." That sums it up very nicely.

 

Get over yourself and your armchair opinions.

 

What is the difference between opinion and armchair opinion?

 

The latter is more comfortable.

[nilodnayr]

This is very puzzling.

Giles is figuring way below our estimates which topped 50 mil in some cases, 3 yrs for 35 mil or even less would be a STEAL, and hendry is out spending that 50 mil we have this offseason away on bob howry and scott eyre,

gotta love them cobs.

 

See this is what Im talking about. You're making a stretch over two asusmptions to reach the goal of criticizing Hendry. First, Giles hasn't signed, you have no idea what his deal will be. None. Second, where did you get 50M from? We haven't even signed Howry, yet.

 

Ok, well the reports that the cubs were about to sign Howry for 3/12 were true, point cpatt. Giles hasnt signed but reports were that he was offered anywhere from 3/27 (Pads) to 3/30 (Yanks). Reports came out today that he countered the pads offer with 3/30 and was rejected after the SD GM said hed give a little hometown discount, so it looks like Cpatt does have an idea what his deal will be. point Cpatt. Available salary figures have ranged from 30M-42M, so Cpatt loses a point for being overly hyperbolic. Overall cpatt is 2/3. If he were a batter wed call today a good day for him. His "stretch over two assumptions" were based on numerous media reports.

[RynoRules]

The moral of the story is that the media reportgs are accurate and should be trusted. :wink:

 

I think alot of this is posturing, as usual, and we won't know a lot on the Giles front for some time.

[wolf stansson]

Just a quick point: I never thought the Cards would get Giles. WJ doesn't like to sign long-term FA contracts. He just doesn't do it often. He'll get his OF'er through a trade involving Marquis and/or Wainright or another pitching prospect. I could see him maybe oversigning for Burnett just because Tony and Duncan have been lobbying for power arm for a while now, but I just don't see them paying for Giles. He'll pull of yet another trade that no one saw coming.

[MPrior]

You two crack me up. We're here on a baseball board in a forum called "transactions" which is made for reacting to actual transactions and discussing hypothetical transactions. In other words, there is literally no purpose for this forum but to be an armchair GM.

 

And seriously, if bashing Hendry at all turns is en vogue, setting yourself up to be contrarian and bashing people for thinking they might have better ideas is a very close second.

 

Two wonderful points. I do agree that some of the Hendry bashing may get a bit out of hand, but it is important to acknowledge that the point of this particular board is to discuss transactions, specifically those of the Cubs. Are we not allowed to criticize these transactions? And are posters not allowed to decide that, given some of the recent transactions that Hendry has been responsible for, they no longer trust him to make good decisions as the Cubs' GM? Personally, I'm not a huge fan of these signings, but I haven't given up on Hendry yet. That's my opinion. And that's okay. Others' opinions might be that Hendry is wonderful and should be praised, not criticized. That's also okay. But to bash other posters because they've commented negatively on some recent Cubs transactions on a Cubs transactions board is pretty asinine.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

According to this, it appears the Rangers are close to signing Dotel.

 

The Rangers are hard at work trying to sign pitcher Octavio Dotel, the Oakland Athletics reliever who had reconstructive elbow surgery in June. A deal for Dotel, who is expected to be ready in April, could get done at the end of the winter meetings.

 

 

I'd much have rather signed Dotel than the relievers we did, but I'd rather see him go to the Rangers than the Cardinals.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

According to this, it appears the Rangers are close to signing Dotel.

 

The Rangers are hard at work trying to sign pitcher Octavio Dotel, the Oakland Athletics reliever who had reconstructive elbow surgery in June. A deal for Dotel, who is expected to be ready in April, could get done at the end of the winter meetings.

 

 

I'd much have rather signed Dotel than the relievers we did, but I'd rather see him go to the Rangers than the Cardinals.

 

It really depends on what they're offering Dotel. I'd have been happy to throw a Dempster/Williamson offer at him (the offer from Texas may be substantially higher).

[fearthecubs]

Unless he goes to St. Louis like I thought he would, anything Dotel does is irrelevant to the Cubs.

 

They're desperate down there in Texas. Remember when Hoops brought up trading Garland? They'd get a kings ransom from Texas right now.