Maybe Hendry just doesn't get it.

[CubfaninCA]

Murton was not in any way shape or form developed in this system.

I figured you would say that.

 

Murton has spent a little over a year in the Cubs system. In that time, he has put numbers way beyond anything he ever did in the Boston organization. But, you're right. There is no way, shape or form that Matt Murton learned anything in the last 12 months. You are absolutely right that the Cubs instructors have nothing to do with his growth as a player. It is absolute coincidence that the numbers he has put up with the DJaxx and Cubs this season were much better than any of the stats he put up in 2 1/2 years with Boston. Thats just luck or baseball variance, right goony?

 

Here is something for which Jim Hendry is 100% responsible: Murton being on the Cubs roster.

 

Hendry lucked into Murton. He has no clue.

[CubfaninCA]

We would've been a better team if we signed Beltran or Drew and also Benitez. I dont want to hear the injuries as an excuse because you do not know if they would be injured as Cubs. My motto for the offseason was Benitez or bust. Doesn't matter at this point. Let's hope Hendry figures it out and puts a winner together unlike this year.

 

Drew's played 72 games this year. Probably just more wasted money.

 

Nearly half the budget for this year was tied up in Sosa, Nomar, Wood, Hawkins and Remlinger. The Cubs got very little production from half it's budget. Fortunately, 3 of the 5 are gone next year. The Cubs should deal off Wood and let Nomar walk. With the way Nomar's swinging the bat of late, some team will give him an idiot deal. Given how much money the Cubs will have available for next season, they should have a much better season.

[YearofDaCubs]

We would've been a better team if we signed Beltran or Drew and also Benitez. I dont want to hear the injuries as an excuse because you do not know if they would be injured as Cubs. My motto for the offseason was Benitez or bust. Doesn't matter at this point. Let's hope Hendry figures it out and puts a winner together unlike this year.

 

Drew's played 72 games this year. Probably just more wasted money.

 

Nearly half the budget for this year was tied up in Sosa, Nomar, Wood, Hawkins and Remlinger. The Cubs got very little production from half it's budget. Fortunately, 3 of the 5 are gone next year. The Cubs should deal off Wood and let Nomar walk. With the way Nomar's swinging the bat of late, some team will give him an idiot deal. Given how much money the Cubs will have available for next season, they should have a much better season.

Drew got hurt by getting hit by a ball. Nobody can expect that. You are assuming that the Cubs will have a 100mil payroll again. There could be a chance that will not happen.

[CubfaninCA]

We would've been a better team if we signed Beltran or Drew and also Benitez. I dont want to hear the injuries as an excuse because you do not know if they would be injured as Cubs. My motto for the offseason was Benitez or bust. Doesn't matter at this point. Let's hope Hendry figures it out and puts a winner together unlike this year.

 

Drew's played 72 games this year. Probably just more wasted money.

 

Nearly half the budget for this year was tied up in Sosa, Nomar, Wood, Hawkins and Remlinger. The Cubs got very little production from half it's budget. Fortunately, 3 of the 5 are gone next year. The Cubs should deal off Wood and let Nomar walk. With the way Nomar's swinging the bat of late, some team will give him an idiot deal. Given how much money the Cubs will have available for next season, they should have a much better season.

Drew got hurt by getting hit by a ball. Nobody can expect that. You are assuming that the Cubs will have a 100mil payroll again. There could be a chance that will not happen.

 

Why would they cut payroll?? The Tribs raking it in as usual and they have to save their beloved Dusty somehow.

[CubsWin]

Diamond mind has been doing their preseason track records for years now. I have posted my predictions on this site as well and have come awfully close on wins and runs.

 

So everybody who said the outfield is going to be shaky and that the starting staff is going to have health issues was just pulling our leg? So you honestly thought that a Burnitz, Dubworth, and Patterson were going to be a productive outfield? You honestly thought that Kerry Wood would be healthy? That Nomar would be healthy throughout the season? I know I hoped all those things to happen but I didn't seriously think they would happen.

 

And I'll make my prediction right now regarding next year. Nomar will be on the DL, and will not play a full season again for the Cubs. . If Wood doesn't change his mechanics, he will be on the DL.

 

If Hendry doesn't see that, and plans on full seasons from both, then he is being foolish.

To predict that both of those players will be on the DL is like predicting that fish will continue to live in water next year.

 

How long will they be on the DL, that is the prediction to make.

[CubsWin]

Murton was not in any way shape or form developed in this system.

I figured you would say that.

 

Murton has spent a little over a year in the Cubs system. In that time, he has put numbers way beyond anything he ever did in the Boston organization. But, you're right. There is no way, shape or form that Matt Murton learned anything in the last 12 months. You are absolutely right that the Cubs instructors have nothing to do with his growth as a player. It is absolute coincidence that the numbers he has put up with the DJaxx and Cubs this season were much better than any of the stats he put up in 2 1/2 years with Boston. Thats just luck or baseball variance, right goony?

 

Here is something for which Jim Hendry is 100% responsible: Murton being on the Cubs roster.

 

Hendry lucked into Murton. He has no clue.

Yeah, you're right. I guess it was the Red Sox GM that insisted Murton be included in the Nomar deal. In fact, I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't agree to trade away Nomar without Murton also being attached. A package deal I think you call it. :wink:

[YearofDaCubs]

We would've been a better team if we signed Beltran or Drew and also Benitez. I dont want to hear the injuries as an excuse because you do not know if they would be injured as Cubs. My motto for the offseason was Benitez or bust. Doesn't matter at this point. Let's hope Hendry figures it out and puts a winner together unlike this year.

 

Drew's played 72 games this year. Probably just more wasted money.

 

Nearly half the budget for this year was tied up in Sosa, Nomar, Wood, Hawkins and Remlinger. The Cubs got very little production from half it's budget. Fortunately, 3 of the 5 are gone next year. The Cubs should deal off Wood and let Nomar walk. With the way Nomar's swinging the bat of late, some team will give him an idiot deal. Given how much money the Cubs will have available for next season, they should have a much better season.

Drew got hurt by getting hit by a ball. Nobody can expect that. You are assuming that the Cubs will have a 100mil payroll again. There could be a chance that will not happen.

 

Why would they cut payroll?? The Tribs raking it in as usual and they have to save their beloved Dusty somehow.

I heard the interview with MacPhail on the score and he didnt seem so confident about having a 100mil payroll again. All I am saying is do not be surprised if we do not hit the 100mil mark.

[CubsWin]

Diamond mind has been doing their preseason track records for years now. I have posted my predictions on this site as well and have come awfully close on wins and runs.

Yes, but how consistently have they/you been right?

 

So everybody who said the outfield is going to be shaky and that the starting staff is going to have health issues was just pulling our leg?

No, but how productive is the question. Anyone, and probably everyone, who looked at the Cubs line-up said the IF is the strength and the OF is the weak-link. Thats not saying anything, though.

 

It is the finer points of how productive will they be that determine the team's ability to win games. Clearly anyone could look at the outfield and see that they were weaker offensively than the infield. But does that mean that they could have predicted Corey's self-destruction? No. Of course not. So why do you bother to bring it up?

 

Here is what is germane to this discussion. The infield's production took a big hit when Nomar went down for 100 games. If he had missed the more predictable amount of 25-30 games, how many more games would the Cubs have won? If Maddux slipped to a post-all-star break ERA of 3.70 (from 3.48 in 2004) instead of the near 4.00 ERA he had the last time I checked, would that have resulted in one or two more victories? If Mitre had been more consistent or Rusch not folded in the 2nd half, how many more victories would that have produced? If Baker hadn't put Dempster in the rotation at the beginning of the season, how many more victories would that have produced? Projections rarely take into account these finer points, these smaller factors.

 

So you honestly thought that a Burnitz, Dubworth, and Patterson were going to be a productive outfield? You honestly thought that Kerry Wood would be healthy? That Nomar would be healthy throughout the season? I know I hoped all those things to happen but I didn't seriously think they would happen.

Why do you keep coming back with the same questions that have already been answered for you with logic and statistics. Do I really have to answer these questions for you again? If you want me to, I will, but I'm starting to believe that it won't make any difference in how you see things.

[CubsWin]

Diamond mind has been doing their preseason track records for years now. I have posted my predictions on this site as well and have come awfully close on wins and runs.

 

So everybody who said the outfield is going to be shaky and that the starting staff is going to have health issues was just pulling our leg? So you honestly thought that a Burnitz, Dubworth, and Patterson were going to be a productive outfield? You honestly thought that Kerry Wood would be healthy? That Nomar would be healthy throughout the season? I know I hoped all those things to happen but I didn't seriously think they would happen.

 

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For the last couple of pre-seasons now I have observed many a player prediction on this site. Almost all of them suffer from the same fatal flaw it seems. While a single player prediction on its own looks reasonable when all the players totals are added the flaw becomes rather apparent. Often times people have team totals of record proportions. Highest Home Run total of all time, most runs scored since the 1929, lowest ERA since 1908, so forth and so forth. Furthermore even after a person makes these predictions they often put the win total too low for a team with these kind of record numbers. So here are some suggestions.

 

Look at the team as a whole, and the league as a whole first. Consider last year and recent trends as well. Meaning decide first whether the league is going to be a high scoring league or a pitchers league. For instance the Cubs since 1998 when they adopted a more HR style have consistently been above 700 runs scored. With 1998 being the highwater mark at 831 and 2002 being the low mark at 706. So for the Cubs we are probably looking at a team that will score anywhere from 700 to 850 runs this year. To further hone this we need to decide how the Cubs will respond with runners on base, and the amount of home runs they will hit. Last year the Cubs were not particularly good at scoring that runner, nor even getting that man is scoring position. Which caused the Cubs to have the lowest run total despite the second highest hr total in 5 years. Why does this average matter? Because the vast majority of runs scored happen with runners in scoring position. Something to the toon of 70%. So this stat is defintily important. Which means you have to ask yourself was last years # a fluke? Was it a problem that was corrected, or is it still a concern?

 

Now for the Home Runs. The most home runs the Cubs have ever hit is 212 (1998) and the league record is 249 (Houston, 2000). Last year the Cubs had 200 home runs. The Cubs should hit around 185 to 210 home runs this year as a team. I would like to mention something that I think is important right now. Many people when they make predictions for the Cubs just do it for the starters and maybe one or two other guys. The problem with this is it fails to factor in the bench. Many a persons prediction has the Cubs starters hitting over 200 homers without factoring in a bench that almost always hits at least 20 more home runs. Which would put the Cub total at or over the 220 total mark. Which for the Cubs is darn near impossile to achieve. Why do I say it is impossible? Because outside of Colorado it has only happened in the NL a handful of times. With the most happening in 2000 at the peak of HR hitting. Since then the rates all across the board have been declining.

 

Once you decide home run total and how well the Cubs will hit with runners on you can make a prediction on total runs for the team. For instance I think this team wil hit around 190-195 HR's and improve on there hitting with runners on. Last year it was .241, the two years before that it was both .269. Around .260 seems like a good point. Which means the Cubs will get around 1560 PA with RISP with 220 of them being walks. That leaves 1340 at bats with a .260 avg means 348 hits. Looking at the last three years the Cubs hit totals have been around 64.6% of there run total with RISP. I'll use 64.2 becuase I think we will be closer to 2000-2001 type performance which had a lower average (64.1) than 2002. So my total runs for RISP would be 542 runs. 50 runs better than last year but 20 or so runs worse than 2000-2001. I'll further decide that this number will represent 73% of the teams total, which would be smack dab in the middle of 00-01 avgs. So that will give me a team run total of 742 runs.

 

So if I were making predictions I would use 195 HR's and 745 runs as my team totals and then spread them though out the team. Remembering that RBI totals are usually less than runs by about 30.

 

 

 

 

 

For Pitching you first have to realize that the starters are only going to recieve around 105 to 115 decisions. Regardless of how good or bad they are. I believe all the NL teams have starter decision totals within those parameters. One or two I think are higher. Once you have a total decision amount you can then distribute those totals to your starters however you like. Though one should remember that a starter usually gets a decision on 70-75% of his starts. Unless you are a back of the rotation type pitcher which would make your % lower or a good ace which would make your % higher.

 

To get a final record one has to decide how good the pitching and defense will be to get a run allowed total. If you feel the Cubs starters will continue there recent two year trend of being good or even better then there run total (earned) would be around 435 or lower. Last year the Cubs starters ERA was 4.02 if you project a better staff then of say 3.90 then there run total is 423 runs (The starters will generally pitch around 975 innings), 3.80 is 412. I for one think the Cubs starters will be around 3.90 to 4.05.

 

Now we need to figure out the bullpens run total. First we need to decide how many innings they will pitch. This can be somewhat tricky since NL totals are all over the board on this. The quick and the dirty on this would be to take 162*9 and then subtract how many innings you projected for your starters. Of course this won't be totally accurate since you will leave out extra inning games and games that did not need the Cubs pitchers in the 9th. The Cubs have for the last 3 years or so had there pen throw 460 or so innings. But here is an important fact, Dusty Baker is now in charge and he has traditionally used his starters longer and his bullpen consequently less. So if we were to say the Cubs starters throw 995 innings I would then say the Cubs bullpen should throw around 435 innings. From there you have to decide how good they will be. I for one think they will be around 4.05 era for a run total of 196 runs. Put the two together and my prediction would be around 630 runs allowed by the pitchers. For combined ERA of 3.97.

 

Finally we have to decide on fielding. For the most part that is really just a guess. Since most defensive metrics are either too primitive or over most peoples head. My gut tells me that this team being younger and having some vets on the bench who can field, will be better defensively than last year. Most NL teams fall within the range of 50-70 unearned runs a year. I'll say the Cubs give up 50. That would then give us a runs allowed total of 680 runs.

 

So if using my predictions we have a team that scores 745 runs and allows 680 runs. Using the pythagorean winning % formula I come up with a team that will win 54.2% of its games. Or a won-loss record of 88-74. But now we have to factor in the manager, the bullpen, and RISP. These projections are most effected by 1-run decisions, and 1-run decisions are hard to predict becuase they vary from year-year. But since we already decided know how good/bad the bullpen is, and how good/bad are hitters are in RISP situations we can make some guesses. At the very least I think this year we will be around .500 in 1-run games which if that holds true than the Pythagorean projection will be accurate. I think this year though that we will be slightly better in 1-run situations so bump the projection up a bit.

 

If I had to guess I would say the Cubs will win between 85 to 90 games this year

cubbieinexile,

 

What are you trying to say by including this article about this projection process?

 

The projection you quoted concluded that the Cubs would win 85-90 games. The wildcard leader has 73 wins with 24 games left to play. If they continue to win like they have been, they might go 15-9. That would be 88 wins. So, according to the projection you quoted, Hendry put together a team that was playoff caliber.

 

So are you saying that unless Hendry puts together a team that projects to be dominant and run away with the division, he doesn't "get it" and should be fired?

 

I also noticed that the projection you quoted says nothing about poor performances like the ones put in by Corey, Holla, Dubois, Rusch, Remlinger, etc., and they didn't project the amount of games missed by players like Prior, Wood, Nomar, Ramirez, Walker and the like. Yet, they still came up with 85-90 wins.

 

It seems like according to this projection, the Cubs got exactly what they should have gotten given all the things that went wrong.

 

Now if what you are saying is that because Hendry hasn't put together a squad that is a dominant 100-plus win team in his first 3 seasons and for that he should be fired, we can have that debate, but right now, I don't know what you are arguing for.

[rocket]

Yeah, you're right. I guess it was the Red Sox GM that insisted Murton be included in the Nomar deal. In fact, I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't agree to trade away Nomar without Murton also being attached. A package deal I think you call it. :wink:

 

If I remember correctly, Murton was actually supposed to go to the Twins. Him being on the Cubs apparently was an oversight by someone.

[YearofDaCubs]

Yeah, you're right. I guess it was the Red Sox GM that insisted Murton be included in the Nomar deal. In fact, I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't agree to trade away Nomar without Murton also being attached. A package deal I think you call it. :wink:

 

If I remember correctly, Murton was actually supposed to go to the Twins. Him being on the Cubs apparently was an oversight by someone.

This is how it went.. The prospect was supposed to go to the Expos but the GM at the time did not want Murton who was being thrown in by Epstein. Since that was the case Hendry sent BHarris to the Expos and we received Murton from the RSox instead.

[ltb]

Yeah, you're right. I guess it was the Red Sox GM that insisted Murton be included in the Nomar deal. In fact, I think I read somewhere that he wouldn't agree to trade away Nomar without Murton also being attached. A package deal I think you call it. :wink:

 

If I remember correctly, Murton was actually supposed to go to the Twins. Him being on the Cubs apparently was an oversight by someone.

This is how it went.. The prospect was supposed to go to the Expos but the GM at the time did not want Murton who was being thrown in by Epstein. Since that was the case Hendry sent BHarris to the Expos and we received Murton from the RSox instead.

 

correct - minaya wanted 3 prospects for cabrera - he didn't want murton, so hendry basically traded harris for murton.

 

the twins were supposed to get another prospect for mientkiewicz, but that was lost in the rush to get the paperwork done. i think hendry fixed this by signing blanco before the arbitration deadline, awarding the twins type c compensation.

[cubbieinexile]

That was a projection for 2003 that I quoted myself on. You asked about my track record I showed you a post I made before 2003.

 

As for Diamond Mind they are one of the best predictors of baseball seasons in the business. They are probably the most consistently reliable source on team projections around. There are times when an individual is better then Diamond but it is not a routine occurrence. Whereas Daimond mind has been at the top for awhile now.

 

I keep bringing up the OF because you keep acting like it wasn't a big deal that it was weak. The infield was supposed to be the strength but it had serious gambles attached to it and some not so serious and the safety net was non-existant by not having a bench worth a saltlick. ARam and Barrett playing at their 2004 level was a risk, Nomar being healthy was a risk, Aram's legs were a risk, various nicks and bruises to Todd were a risk. What did the Cubs have to back any of this up? Zeros. So Hendry goes into the season according to you with full knowledge that his OF is going to be weak, but that is ok because the runs are going to come from the IF and that is ok because .. . why? Because Nomar is going to play 155 games? That Barret will play 162? That Todd won't miss ten, 15, or 20 games? That Aramis who has had balky legs for years now will stay completely healthy and unhindered throughout the season?

 

Going into this season I had the Cubs IF with a best case scenario of creating about 500 runs, and that was with the Cubs starters getting the bulk of time. So far you haven't even come close to showing why we should have expected these players to be healthy and playing 155 games or more. That means that the Cub outfield would need to score about 300 more runs to be a productive season for the Cubs. I have the Cub outfield falling just short of that in best case scenario.

 

Looking back at the start of the season what did you expect out of each position? How many runs did you think this team would score? How many runs did you think they would allow?

 

Did you seriously look at this Cub offense and think 850 runs? Did you seriously look at the Cubs bullpen, defense, and health history of the Cubs starters and think 675 runs?

 

This was a flawed team from the start and I don't think I would get much disagreement with that statement. This team was another one of those Cubs teams that if they catch lightning in a bottle they take off and go to the playoffs. The 1984 team was like that, the 1989, the 1998, and the 2003 was like that. There is a reason why the Cubs have gone so long without back to back winnings seasons and that is because the teams they put together are highly flawed. There is a reason why the Cubs have gone so long without 100 wins or even 95 wins (The cubs have gone over 95 wins once in the last 60 years). A GM has to expect things to go wrong, he has to expect players to get hurt, to underperform, to slump, to surpass and so on. No plan survives contact with the enemy. This year from the word go Hendry had put himself behind the 8 ball. This was most definitely a cross your fingers and hope everything goes right kind of season for the Cubs. This isn't a Yankee or Braves team or even is some respect an A's team where they can know before the season has even started that they have assembled a team that is going to win at least 90 games, and how many games they win past that depends on those variations. The Cubs on the other hand assembled teams that are in all probability 82 win teams and what happens beyond that depends on variations. In otherwords the Cubs hope and pray they make it to 90 wins. While successful teams build a team they know will make it to 90 wins.

 

Take a look at the Red Sox, they have had to be in division with the Yankees and Baltimore for a very long time and for almost 40 years now they have managed to put together a team that its fans know almost totally that it is good enough to finish with a winning record. It doesn't always happen, but finish above .500 is almost a sure thing. They have done this with many different GM's and styles. The Red Sox go into a season not trying to figure out how to finish with a winning record but how to win 95 or more games.

[CubsWin]

That was a projection for 2003 that I quoted myself on. You asked about my track record I showed you a post I made before 2003.

 

As for Diamond Mind they are one of the best predictors of baseball seasons in the business. They are probably the most consistently reliable source on team projections around. There are times when an individual is better then Diamond but it is not a routine occurrence. Whereas Daimond mind has been at the top for awhile now.

 

I keep bringing up the OF because you keep acting like it wasn't a big deal that it was weak. The infield was supposed to be the strength but it had serious gambles attached to it and some not so serious and the safety net was non-existant by not having a bench worth a saltlick. ARam and Barrett playing at their 2004 level was a risk, Nomar being healthy was a risk, Aram's legs were a risk, various nicks and bruises to Todd were a risk. What did the Cubs have to back any of this up? Zeros. So Hendry goes into the season according to you with full knowledge that his OF is going to be weak, but that is ok because the runs are going to come from the IF and that is ok because .. . why? Because Nomar is going to play 155 games? That Barret will play 162? That Todd won't miss ten, 15, or 20 games? That Aramis who has had balky legs for years now will stay completely healthy and unhindered throughout the season?

 

Going into this season I had the Cubs IF with a best case scenario of creating about 500 runs, and that was with the Cubs starters getting the bulk of time. So far you haven't even come close to showing why we should have expected these players to be healthy and playing 155 games or more. That means that the Cub outfield would need to score about 300 more runs to be a productive season for the Cubs. I have the Cub outfield falling just short of that in best case scenario.

 

Looking back at the start of the season what did you expect out of each position? How many runs did you think this team would score? How many runs did you think they would allow?

 

Did you seriously look at this Cub offense and think 850 runs? Did you seriously look at the Cubs bullpen, defense, and health history of the Cubs starters and think 675 runs?

 

This was a flawed team from the start and I don't think I would get much disagreement with that statement. This team was another one of those Cubs teams that if they catch lightning in a bottle they take off and go to the playoffs. The 1984 team was like that, the 1989, the 1998, and the 2003 was like that. There is a reason why the Cubs have gone so long without back to back winnings seasons and that is because the teams they put together are highly flawed. There is a reason why the Cubs have gone so long without 100 wins or even 95 wins (The cubs have gone over 95 wins once in the last 60 years). A GM has to expect things to go wrong, he has to expect players to get hurt, to underperform, to slump, to surpass and so on. No plan survives contact with the enemy. This year from the word go Hendry had put himself behind the 8 ball. This was most definitely a cross your fingers and hope everything goes right kind of season for the Cubs. This isn't a Yankee or Braves team or even is some respect an A's team where they can know before the season has even started that they have assembled a team that is going to win at least 90 games, and how many games they win past that depends on those variations. The Cubs on the other hand assembled teams that are in all probability 82 win teams and what happens beyond that depends on variations. In otherwords the Cubs hope and pray they make it to 90 wins. While successful teams build a team they know will make it to 90 wins.

 

Take a look at the Red Sox, they have had to be in division with the Yankees and Baltimore for a very long time and for almost 40 years now they have managed to put together a team that its fans know almost totally that it is good enough to finish with a winning record. It doesn't always happen, but finish above .500 is almost a sure thing. They have done this with many different GM's and styles. The Red Sox go into a season not trying to figure out how to finish with a winning record but how to win 95 or more games.

I have presented what I think are several well supported rebuttals and have requested hard facts and numbers in return. I have gotten anecdotal evidence and projections that you still haven't supported with any sort of track record besides your word that they are reliable.

 

Despite the rebuttals that I think are well supported in fact and logic, you still reply with the same stuff. Unless, there is anything else, I think it is time to put this one to bed.

[cubbieinexile]

Well supported rebuttals and hard facts? I must have missed that post.

 

Your view as far as I know.

 

Kerry Wood started 32 games in 2003

 

Nomar played a lot of games in 2002 and 2003.

 

Latroy had nice stats.

 

OF weak, IF strong

 

 

Those are well supported rebuttals and hard facts?

 

As for Diamond Mind and their projections go to their site, do a google search. They present their projections every year.

 

Hard Facts in return?

 

Nomar has a long history of injury problems and of healing slowly. Nomar was injured and missed time last year.

 

Kerry Wood has a long history of being injured he has missed starts practically every year of his career. Kerry Wood missed significant time last year.

 

Neifi Perez has been one of the worst MLB ballplayers in recent seasons.

 

Aramis Ramirez has been bothered by his legs for a couple of years now.

 

Todd Walkers is on the wrong side of 30 and he gets dinged up and misses games and has gone on the DL for ailments the past several years.

 

Corey Patterson is inconsistent.

 

Burnitz is old, played at Coors last year, rest of his stats besides Coors in decline.

 

Todd Hollandsworth is a 4th OF'er at best. Jason Dubois is a rookie.

 

Hawkins cannot handle close games.

 

Greg Maddux is 39 years old.

 

Michael Barrett is a catcher, no matter how good he is he is going to miss time and be replace with a blackhole. That severely weakens the view that the IF is going to carry the team. Secondly Barrett had his first good season with the bat since 1999.

 

Derrek Lee was an .850 OPS first basemen going into this season.

 

Remlinger is old, not a lefty specialist, and has missed time over his contract.

 

Bullpen young and inconsistent.

[CubsWin]

Well supported rebuttals and hard facts? I must have missed that post.

 

Your view as far as I know.

 

Kerry Wood started 32 games in 2003

 

Nomar played a lot of games in 2002 and 2003.

 

Latroy had nice stats.

 

OF weak, IF strong

 

 

Those are well supported rebuttals and hard facts?

 

As for Diamond Mind and their projections go to their site, do a google search. They present their projections every year.

 

Hard Facts in return?

 

Nomar has a long history of injury problems and of healing slowly. Nomar was injured and missed time last year.

 

Kerry Wood has a long history of being injured he has missed starts practically every year of his career. Kerry Wood missed significant time last year.

 

Neifi Perez has been one of the worst MLB ballplayers in recent seasons.

 

Aramis Ramirez has been bothered by his legs for a couple of years now.

 

Todd Walkers is on the wrong side of 30 and he gets dinged up and misses games and has gone on the DL for ailments the past several years.

 

Corey Patterson is inconsistent.

 

Burnitz is old, played at Coors last year, rest of his stats besides Coors in decline.

 

Todd Hollandsworth is a 4th OF'er at best. Jason Dubois is a rookie.

 

Hawkins cannot handle close games.

 

Greg Maddux is 39 years old.

 

Michael Barrett is a catcher, no matter how good he is he is going to miss time and be replace with a blackhole. That severely weakens the view that the IF is going to carry the team. Secondly Barrett had his first good season with the bat since 1999.

 

Derrek Lee was an .850 OPS first basemen going into this season.

 

Remlinger is old, not a lefty specialist, and has missed time over his contract.

 

Bullpen young and inconsistent.

Your choice of response has proved my point. I'll be happy to let the jury decide this one.

[treebird]

Well supported rebuttals and hard facts? I must have missed that post.

 

Your view as far as I know.

 

Kerry Wood started 32 games in 2003

 

Nomar played a lot of games in 2002 and 2003.

 

Latroy had nice stats.

 

OF weak, IF strong

 

 

Those are well supported rebuttals and hard facts?

 

As for Diamond Mind and their projections go to their site, do a google search. They present their projections every year.

 

Hard Facts in return?

 

Nomar has a long history of injury problems and of healing slowly. Nomar was injured and missed time last year.

 

Kerry Wood has a long history of being injured he has missed starts practically every year of his career. Kerry Wood missed significant time last year.

 

Neifi Perez has been one of the worst MLB ballplayers in recent seasons.

 

Aramis Ramirez has been bothered by his legs for a couple of years now.

 

Todd Walkers is on the wrong side of 30 and he gets dinged up and misses games and has gone on the DL for ailments the past several years.

 

Corey Patterson is inconsistent.

 

Burnitz is old, played at Coors last year, rest of his stats besides Coors in decline.

 

Todd Hollandsworth is a 4th OF'er at best. Jason Dubois is a rookie.

 

Hawkins cannot handle close games.

 

Greg Maddux is 39 years old.

 

Michael Barrett is a catcher, no matter how good he is he is going to miss time and be replace with a blackhole. That severely weakens the view that the IF is going to carry the team. Secondly Barrett had his first good season with the bat since 1999.

 

Derrek Lee was an .850 OPS first basemen going into this season.

 

Remlinger is old, not a lefty specialist, and has missed time over his contract.

 

Bullpen young and inconsistent.

Your choice of response has proved my point. I'll be happy to let the jury decide this one.

 

can i be on the jury? cause if so you're going to lose. the last post here doesn't make any sense. he made his case, and diamond mind has as well. he told you where to go if you want more info on diamond mind.

 

this expert votes in favor of cubbieinexile