Would you do Patterson for Wells?

[nt3d]

Would you do a swap of Corey Patterson and a prospect for Vernon Wells? Vernon is a great defender and is productive this season. If he is only the block maybe we should try to get acquire him.

[erik316wttn]

Would you do a swap of Corey Patterson and a prospect for Vernon Wells? Vernon is a great defender and is productive this season. If he is only the block maybe we should try to get acquire him.

 

Wells is a decent hitter, but his OBP isn't much to brag about. Vernon Wells, as of right now, has the same patience as Corey at the plate, but only with a little bit better bat.

 

We can do better than Vernon Wells for Corey.

[ThePenguin11]

Come on. Patterson for Vernon Wells? Done. Done Yesterday. Wells is twice the player Patterson is and has proven it over the past four years. No question. Done.

 

 

 

No tradebacks!

[chopsx9]

Would you do a swap of Corey Patterson and a prospect for Vernon Wells? Vernon is a great defender and is productive this season. If he is only the block maybe we should try to get acquire him.

 

Wells is a decent hitter, but his OBP isn't much to brag about. Vernon Wells, as of right now, has the same patience as Corey at the plate, but only with a little bit better bat.

 

We can do better than Vernon Wells for Corey.

 

I think you would have to classify Vernon's bat as more than a little bit better than Corey's. I am pretty sure if this trade was suggested to the Blue Jays they would laugh pretty hard before hanging up.

[ThePenguin11]

He's the anti-Corey:

 

Baserunning & Defense

Wells could steal more bases, but that's not part of the Blue Jays' modus operandi. When healthy, he is aggressive and quick to take the extra base. Wells' first Gold Glove in 2004 solidified his reputation among baseball people as a premier defender. Quick enough to make up for mistakes and fearless at the wall, Wells' first step is almost always the right one. He has improved his physical fitness markedly since deciding before the 2003 season to spend some offseason time at a Scottsdale-based fitness facility used by professional athletes.

 

Hitting

Wells is a prototypical line-drive gap hitter who feeds off low fastballs and mistake breaking pitches. He also has spurts of impatience at the plate. The Blue Jays stress working the pitcher and on-base percentage, but many in the organization believe Wells would be a less-effective hitter if he cuts down on his natural aggressiveness. Mechanically, the Blue Jays have noticed that Wells opens up with his front foot at times, which causes him to pull off the ball and drag his bat through the strike zone. Wells is a smart player all-around, and that translates to his approach to hitting, as he studies opposing pitchers' routines.

[Tracer Bullet]

Unless the prospect is Felix Pie, or something similar - just tell me where to sign.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Come on. Patterson for Vernon Wells? Done. Done Yesterday. Wells is twice the player Patterson is and has proven it over the past four years. No question. Done.

 

 

 

No tradebacks!

 

Wells is a bit of an upgrade from Patterson, but I think you're overstating Wells' ability. He had a great 2003, but that's been bookended by unspectacular years with a pretty low OBP and good SLG. Better than Corey? Sure. Worth giving away another player in addition to Corey to provide a marginal upgrade over Hairston in CF? Not in my opinion.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

if wells is on the block, he'll probably end up in NY.

 

 

i'd definitely swap wells for cpat, but i don't think Toronto would. they'd have to be crazy to take that.

[ManEatingTarp]

I just shot coke out of my nose when I read that...

 

Patterson for Wells.

....snort......Argh......just did it again.....

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's the anti-Corey:

 

Baserunning & Defense

Wells could steal more bases, but that's not part of the Blue Jays' modus operandi. When healthy, he is aggressive and quick to take the extra base. Wells' first Gold Glove in 2004 solidified his reputation among baseball people as a premier defender. Quick enough to make up for mistakes and fearless at the wall, Wells' first step is almost always the right one. He has improved his physical fitness markedly since deciding before the 2003 season to spend some offseason time at a Scottsdale-based fitness facility used by professional athletes.

 

Hitting

Wells is a prototypical line-drive gap hitter who feeds off low fastballs and mistake breaking pitches. He also has spurts of impatience at the plate. The Blue Jays stress working the pitcher and on-base percentage, but many in the organization believe Wells would be a less-effective hitter if he cuts down on his natural aggressiveness. Mechanically, the Blue Jays have noticed that Wells opens up with his front foot at times, which causes him to pull off the ball and drag his bat through the strike zone. Wells is a smart player all-around, and that translates to his approach to hitting, as he studies opposing pitchers' routines.

 

Despite what that report(many of which have proved to be less than reliable previously) says, Wells doesn't hit a lot of line drives, as evidenced by his 16.5 LD% this year. I don't know why you bolded that part about defense. Wells is a fine fielder, but Patterson isn't bad at all.

Edited July 18, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[ltb]

According to the Toronto Sun, the Rangers have asked the Blue Jays about acquiring Vernon Wells.

 

Wells is a Texas native. ''We're not trading him,'' general manager J.P. Ricciardi said.

[ManEatingTarp]

He's the anti-Corey:

 

Baserunning & Defense

Wells could steal more bases, but that's not part of the Blue Jays' modus operandi. When healthy, he is aggressive and quick to take the extra base. Wells' first Gold Glove in 2004 solidified his reputation among baseball people as a premier defender. Quick enough to make up for mistakes and fearless at the wall, Wells' first step is almost always the right one. He has improved his physical fitness markedly since deciding before the 2003 season to spend some offseason time at a Scottsdale-based fitness facility used by professional athletes.

 

Hitting

Wells is a prototypical line-drive gap hitter who feeds off low fastballs and mistake breaking pitches. He also has spurts of impatience at the plate. The Blue Jays stress working the pitcher and on-base percentage, but many in the organization believe Wells would be a less-effective hitter if he cuts down on his natural aggressiveness. Mechanically, the Blue Jays have noticed that Wells opens up with his front foot at times, which causes him to pull off the ball and drag his bat through the strike zone. Wells is a smart player all-around, and that translates to his approach to hitting, as he studies opposing pitchers' routines.

 

Despite what that report(many of which have proved to be less than reliable previously), Wells doesn't hit a lot of line drives, as evidenced by his 16.5 LD% this year. I don't know why you bolded that part about defense. Wells is a fine fielder, but Patterson isn't bad at all.

 

Wells = Patterson X3

 

and Vernon is going to be a Cardinal so don't sweat it ;)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Toronto's GM said, "We're not trading him [Wells]."

 

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/071805dnsporangbriefs.6bdfa1d.html

[ltb]

Toronto's GM said, "We're not trading him [Wells]."

 

 

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/071805dnsporangbriefs.6bdfa1d.html

 

look up 2 posts ;)

[ThePenguin11]

He's the anti-Corey:

 

Baserunning & Defense

Wells could steal more bases, but that's not part of the Blue Jays' modus operandi. When healthy, he is aggressive and quick to take the extra base. Wells' first Gold Glove in 2004 solidified his reputation among baseball people as a premier defender. Quick enough to make up for mistakes and fearless at the wall, Wells' first step is almost always the right one. He has improved his physical fitness markedly since deciding before the 2003 season to spend some offseason time at a Scottsdale-based fitness facility used by professional athletes.

 

Hitting

Wells is a prototypical line-drive gap hitter who feeds off low fastballs and mistake breaking pitches. He also has spurts of impatience at the plate. The Blue Jays stress working the pitcher and on-base percentage, but many in the organization believe Wells would be a less-effective hitter if he cuts down on his natural aggressiveness. Mechanically, the Blue Jays have noticed that Wells opens up with his front foot at times, which causes him to pull off the ball and drag his bat through the strike zone. Wells is a smart player all-around, and that translates to his approach to hitting, as he studies opposing pitchers' routines.

 

Despite what that report(many of which have proved to be less than reliable previously) says, Wells doesn't hit a lot of line drives, as evidenced by his 16.5 LD% this year. I don't know why you bolded that part about defense. Wells is a fine fielder, but Patterson isn't bad at all.

 

Patterson isn't anywhere close to being a gold-glover. I highlighted the part about him being a smart fielder with a good first jump. Patterson has slow reaction skills (instincts) and although he's not a bad fielder, his speed gets him out of an awful lot of trouble.

Edited July 18, 2005 by ThePenguin11

[Chocolate Milk]

The Jays would laugh us out of town.

[ltb]

Patterson has slow reaction skills and although he's not a bad fielder, his speed gets him out of an awful lot of trouble.

 

how is this any different from perennial gold glove winner jim edmonds? he just fakes slow reaction skills so he can dive - if he can win a gold glove like that, why can't patterson?

[chopsx9]

Come on. Patterson for Vernon Wells? Done. Done Yesterday. Wells is twice the player Patterson is and has proven it over the past four years. No question. Done.

 

 

 

No tradebacks!

 

Wells is a bit of an upgrade from Patterson, but I think you're overstating Wells' ability. He had a great 2003, but that's been bookended by unspectacular years with a pretty low OBP and good SLG. Better than Corey? Sure. Worth giving away another player in addition to Corey to provide a marginal upgrade over Hairston in CF? Not in my opinion.

 

I'm a big CP fan (as evidenced by the truckload of his rookie cards I will be using for kindling this winter) and hopeful he will get back on track but at this stage saying Wells is a bit of an upgrade over CP and marginaly so over JH is definite understatement. Wells isn't Abreu by a streach but he is several steps close than those two.

[ThePenguin11]

Patterson has slow reaction skills and although he's not a bad fielder, his speed gets him out of an awful lot of trouble.

 

how is this any different from perennial gold glove winner jim edmonds? he just fakes slow reaction skills so he can dive - if he can win a gold glove like that, why can't patterson?

 

Edmonds makes the plays. Corey doesn't get to every play because he's too slow in reacting. At least Edmonds still makes all of the catches.

[katway]

Would you do a swap of Corey Patterson and a prospect for Vernon Wells? Vernon is a great defender and is productive this season. If he is only the block maybe we should try to get acquire him.

 

I'd easily give them Corey since Wells put up better numbers than Corey at the same stage of their careers, but it would depend on the prospect, which would be key for toronto b/c Corey alone isn't going to do it.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I like the sound of a 2006 Cubs outfield consisting of Austin Kearns, Vernon Wells and Brian Giles. Sweet.

[ThePenguin11]

In defense of Edmonds - whom I hate BTW - he is 35 years old and still plays better than Corey in the field has ever shown.

[ltb]

Patterson has slow reaction skills and although he's not a bad fielder, his speed gets him out of an awful lot of trouble.

 

how is this any different from perennial gold glove winner jim edmonds? he just fakes slow reaction skills so he can dive - if he can win a gold glove like that, why can't patterson?

 

Edmonds makes the plays. Corey doesn't get to every play because he's too slow in reacting. At least Edmonds still makes all of the catches.

 

corey still makes plenty of plays. you're underrating him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Come on. Patterson for Vernon Wells? Done. Done Yesterday. Wells is twice the player Patterson is and has proven it over the past four years. No question. Done.

 

 

 

No tradebacks!

 

Wells is a bit of an upgrade from Patterson, but I think you're overstating Wells' ability. He had a great 2003, but that's been bookended by unspectacular years with a pretty low OBP and good SLG. Better than Corey? Sure. Worth giving away another player in addition to Corey to provide a marginal upgrade over Hairston in CF? Not in my opinion.

 

I'm a big CP fan (as evidenced by the truckload of his rookie cards I will be using for kindling this winter) and hopeful he will get back on track but at this stage saying Wells is a bit of an upgrade over CP and marginaly so over JH is definite understatement. Wells isn't Abreu by a streach but he is several steps close than those two.

 

Wells: 52 RC in 378 PA's, .1376 RC/PA

Hairston: 31 RC in 259 PA's, .1197 RC/PA

 

They're not too far away in production, Hairston would have less than 7 fewer RC in the same number of PAs. Wells isn't a bad player by any means, but considering he's not head and shoulders above what we have, and he's going to cost more than his value in trade most likely due to reputation/potential, I don't think it's worth it.

[moorecg]

Maybe this suggestion deserves a different thread...but while looking Wells, I took a look at Frank Catalanatto's numbers...I think he'd look great in left field for the rest of the year...