Bears offseason

[Guest]

when you're so morbidly obese that you sweat when you sleep your takes will always be hot

 

 

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and NFL GMs are dumb meatballs. No one will sign Kaepernick, either. That's just so asinine.

[WrigleyField 22]

when you're so morbidly obese that you sweat when you sleep your takes will always be hot

 

 

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and NFL GMs are dumb meatballs. No one will sign Kaepernick, either. That's just so asinine.

The jersey as kindling jersey sales boom is practically enough to justify the cost of Kapernick.

 

I think both guys are just in a weird spot. Just talented enough to justify decent money. Just polarizing enough to scare off GMs who only see the downside to their job security.

[Guest]

It is a deeper class next year.

 

Sam Darnold, all of 9 starts under his belt, does look like the next big thing, and if you tried would struggle to be in a spot to grab him.

 

Josh Rosen looks talented, but just missed half of this season's campaign to injury and apparently has off field concerns.

 

Josh Allen, one season against subpar competition. However unsure anyone feels about Trubisky and lack of experience, you should feel approximately 100 times less sure of Allen.

 

Those are probably the consensus top 3, then you have Falk, Browning, Rudolph, Jackson in the next teir and then several more amongst the teir after.

 

But overall, while definitely a deep group, other than the guy with 366 passes and THREE remaining years of eligibility, none of these guys look like anything that wasn't available this draft or the previous one, just a bit deeper perhaps.

 

But on top of that analysis, whether you want to quibble with the above or whatever, all that still really matters is ; Was Trubisky worth what we paid for him now? If the rest of the 2017 class would be third rounders next year, all that really matters still is how Trubiksy ranks now.

 

I haven't seen much film on Darnold, so I can't really speak to his footwork or pocket awareness, but the hype seems to be regarding his physical tools. It sounds that his throwing motion may have to be rebuilt as well.

 

Does he hang in the pocket as well as Trubisky, does he escape only after his receivers have had a chance to get open or when he's in imminent peril? Does he slide instead of scamper? Does he have the vision to throw receivers open? does he keep his feet under him? When his eyes move, can he keep his feet still?

 

these are all things that Trubisky does well and set him apart from the rest of his draft class. he's not a freak from any kind of physical perspective, like Darnold is, but he's able to do most of the things that translate well to the NFL.

 

does Darnold show these traits?

[Derwood]

Pace wanted Trubisky, not no next year QB.

 

Yeah, who would want a QB next year, what with that class being universally considered to be far better than this year?

 

Pace, because he wanted Trubisky, who was in this year's draft class, dummy.

 

Your white knighting of Pace is adorable

[Guest]

 

Yeah, who would want a QB next year, what with that class being universally considered to be far better than this year?

 

Pace, because he wanted Trubisky, who was in this year's draft class, dummy.

 

Your white knighting of Pace is adorable

 

and your meatball opinion would fit well on sports radio.

 

but really, Pace wanted a guy who demonstrates the subtle and important things that contribute to making a very good NFL QB. he didn't necessarily want a super-baby if the super-baby can't get through his reads without running into a sack.

[Derwood]

And all of next years QB's are super babies? Did you hear that on Mad Dog and Maggie?

[Guest]

And all of next years QB's are super babies? Did you hear that on Mad Dog and Maggie?

 

no, but I'm confident I know a lot more about Trubisky than you know about next year's QB's, who might not even be prospects by next year.

[davell]

when you're so morbidly obese that you sweat when you sleep your takes will always be hot

 

 

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and NFL GMs are dumb meatballs. No one will sign Kaepernick, either. That's just so asinine.

The jersey as kindling jersey sales boom is practically enough to justify the cost of Kapernick.

 

I think both guys are just in a weird spot. Just talented enough to justify decent money. Just polarizing enough to scare off GMs who only see the downside to their job security.

 

Eh, I think Kaepernick not being signed yet is pretty justifiable. 1) He's not THAT good. 2) He wanted 10 mill a year at one point 3) Its rhoulette. Jay couldn't find a gig either, plus the Fitzpatrick's of the world and others.

 

He'll get signed, but not as a starter and not for much money.

[Guest]

Kaep posted pretty good numbers on a bad team last year. what do you mean by "THAT"?

[jersey cubs fan]

Eh, I think Kaepernick not being signed yet is pretty justifiable.

 

Not really at all. It's completely a white guys fear the distraction situation. If he ever does sign I bet some shitty police union spokesperson will speak out against the team's decision.

[davell]

Kaep posted pretty good numbers on a bad team last year. what do you mean by "THAT"?

 

That its justifiable he's not going into a year as a starter for someone.

[Guest]

and I've heard that the problem with Kaepernick to many GM's is one of a personal nature, not a job-security one.

[WrigleyField 22]

It is a deeper class next year.

 

Sam Darnold, all of 9 starts under his belt, does look like the next big thing, and if you tried would struggle to be in a spot to grab him.

 

Josh Rosen looks talented, but just missed half of this season's campaign to injury and apparently has off field concerns.

 

Josh Allen, one season against subpar competition. However unsure anyone feels about Trubisky and lack of experience, you should feel approximately 100 times less sure of Allen.

 

Those are probably the consensus top 3, then you have Falk, Browning, Rudolph, Jackson in the next teir and then several more amongst the teir after.

 

But overall, while definitely a deep group, other than the guy with 366 passes and THREE remaining years of eligibility, none of these guys look like anything that wasn't available this draft or the previous one, just a bit deeper perhaps.

 

But on top of that analysis, whether you want to quibble with the above or whatever, all that still really matters is ; Was Trubisky worth what we paid for him now? If the rest of the 2017 class would be third rounders next year, all that really matters still is how Trubiksy ranks now.

 

I haven't seen much film on Darnold, so I can't really speak to his footwork or pocket awareness, but the hype seems to be regarding his physical tools. It sounds that his throwing motion may have to be rebuilt as well.

 

Does he hang in the pocket as well as Trubisky, does he escape only after his receivers have had a chance to get open or when he's in imminent peril? Does he slide instead of scamper? Does he have the vision to throw receivers open? does he keep his feet under him? When his eyes move, can he keep his feet still?

 

these are all things that Trubisky does well and set him apart from the rest of his draft class. he's not a freak from any kind of physical perspective, like Darnold is, but he's able to do most of the things that translate well to the NFL.

 

does Darnold show these traits?

I don't know. Lets say he has all those things. I can think of two or three recent guys who had those things and were pretty favorably ranked as top picks.... and returned for another year of eligibility.

 

The whole idea is putting a bunch of hope in a relative unknown where the variables are wide ranging. All to fly in the face of whats known now because the opportunity later could be better.

 

I actually think the next Luck could be sitting there and a sizable portion of Bears fans would talk themselves out of it because the prospect of some future unknown is more appealing to them than the chance of striking out on a QB.

[Guest]

yeah, personally, I think Trubisky is a better option than any of the QB's next year. But even if he's not, the idea of tanking another year is not attractive. I think Pace is trying to kick the bears into drive early. maybe not this season, but next, at the latest.

 

the Bears also have a core of talent up front on both sides of the ball. which is important.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think Pace is trying to kick the bears into drive early. maybe not this season, but next, at the latest.

 

what is "early" about that?

[Guest]

I think Pace is trying to kick the bears into drive early. maybe not this season, but next, at the latest.

 

what is "early" about that?

 

early by the average fan's expectations. most have written off the next 5 years, lol.

[davell]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

[Guest]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

 

see what I mean?

[KingCubsFan]

It is a deeper class next year.

 

Sam Darnold, all of 9 starts under his belt, does look like the next big thing, and if you tried would struggle to be in a spot to grab him.

 

Josh Rosen looks talented, but just missed half of this season's campaign to injury and apparently has off field concerns.

 

Josh Allen, one season against subpar competition. However unsure anyone feels about Trubisky and lack of experience, you should feel approximately 100 times less sure of Allen.

 

Those are probably the consensus top 3, then you have Falk, Browning, Rudolph, Jackson in the next teir and then several more amongst the teir after.

 

But overall, while definitely a deep group, other than the guy with 366 passes and THREE remaining years of eligibility, none of these guys look like anything that wasn't available this draft or the previous one, just a bit deeper perhaps.

 

But on top of that analysis, whether you want to quibble with the above or whatever, all that still really matters is ; Was Trubisky worth what we paid for him now? If the rest of the 2017 class would be third rounders next year, all that really matters still is how Trubiksy ranks now.

 

I haven't seen much film on Darnold, so I can't really speak to his footwork or pocket awareness, but the hype seems to be regarding his physical tools. It sounds that his throwing motion may have to be rebuilt as well.

 

Does he hang in the pocket as well as Trubisky, does he escape only after his receivers have had a chance to get open or when he's in imminent peril? Does he slide instead of scamper? Does he have the vision to throw receivers open? does he keep his feet under him? When his eyes move, can he keep his feet still?

 

these are all things that Trubisky does well and set him apart from the rest of his draft class. he's not a freak from any kind of physical perspective, like Darnold is, but he's able to do most of the things that translate well to the NFL.

 

does Darnold show these traits?

I don't know. Lets say he has all those things. I can think of two or three recent guys who had those things and were pretty favorably ranked as top picks.... and returned for another year of eligibility.

 

The whole idea is putting a bunch of hope in a relative unknown where the variables are wide ranging. All to fly in the face of whats known now because the opportunity later could be better.

 

I actually think the next Luck could be sitting there and a sizable portion of Bears fans would talk themselves out of it because the prospect of some future unknown is more appealing to them than the chance of striking out on a QB.

I'm sure the Bears scouted next year's prospects as well and determined that it was still worth going after Trubisky rather than tanking another year for one of next year's QBs.

[jersey cubs fan]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

 

see what I mean?

the fact that the team is still bad doesn't make trying to win this year or next "early".

 

 

It's only early if you view it through the misguided lens of how the Cubs did their rebuild.

[Guest]

football isn't baseball. if you can fill in average to just below average players around a few above average players on defense, and you have a QB that can make plays and not turn the ball over on offense, you can compete. this is not a very long process.

 

most rebuilds are teams simply waiting to grab a QB that can win them games. 1 player.

[Guest]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

 

see what I mean?

the fact that the team is still bad doesn't make trying to win this year or next "early".

 

 

It's only early if you view it through the misguided lens of how the Cubs did their rebuild.

 

right, I agree with you, as evidenced by my above post.

[davell]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

 

see what I mean?

 

No. We should NOT be bad for that long. But, you overestimate our talent level, even in those areas. This team still needs a LOT of help.

 

You think they're not tanking this year, how many wins do you see?

[davell]

And I've said on numerous occasions this isn't baseball. A true "rebuild" is not needed in football. And yes, a QB CAN change the future. But, you're still sitting that guy this year and figuring out if he CAN play in 2018.

 

We literally didn't draft a guy this year who's expected to start in 2017.

[jersey cubs fan]

Our over/under is 5 wins. I don't see us being far off from that. And even our front 7 defense strength has holes. Freeman isn't young, Trevathan has to come back from a very serious injury, McPhee has been hurt, Floyd already has two concussions.....

 

We're not very far along. And the front 7 and/or our OL, with an injury prone Long and 2 mediocre tackles could wind up as spots we need to address early next year in the draft.....

 

see what I mean?

 

No. We should NOT be bad for that long. But, you overestimate our talent level, even in those areas. This team still needs a LOT of help.

 

You think they're not tanking this year, how many wins do you see?

No, they aren't tanking. Football teams don't tank unless they have a specific QB they want to draft #1, and even then it's incredibly rare to plan to tank in the summer.

 

The problem is they are trying to win games and failing miserably at it.