Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

I'll say this. The biggest knock seems to be the 13 starts. At what point are you obsessing over one trait in the face of all others?

 

I'm not thrilled, but I'm more in a shrug my shoulders mode than the "lol dumb Bears" attitude.

13 starts isn't a trait.

 

13 starts means there isn't enough data to draw a confident conclusion about his actual traits.

The way people have generally used it, its a trait.

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Guys starting for 2+ years is how you get a lot of tape and a lot of confidence in your judgement of that tape.

 

I'm not knocking him for only 13 games, I'm doubting highly how this front office could be that in love to make that trade for him with such limited data.

[WrigleyField 22]

But on Trubisky. I'm sure I belabored these points plenty in January but might as well throw them out there again for anyone interested in reading additional words about the new future Bears QB. My favorite things about him are accuracy, touch, pocket presence, quick release, and mobility. Seems good at hitting guys in stride. But then you've got the deep ball (see 2:32, 2:51, and 3:51). *As with any highlight reel I recommend muting out the brutal music

 

 

At least you were honest about the horrible music.

 

That highlight reel is not all that impressive to me. The first throw was real nice, but then you've got a couple high school caliber throws and a whole bunch of guys were open by 7+ yards passes for his biggest highlights. Damn that guy didn't seem to face many teams that could cover receivers.

 

Maybe this guy turns out to be great, but the problem is they wasted this free agency season spending on a QB plus all the picks when this team needed lots of help elsewhere so now all we can do is sit around for 3 years and hope it works.

They didnt miss out on anyhing they could have wanted in FA because of the 15M cap hit or whatever they are taking on Glennon.

[WrigleyField 22]

13 starts isn't a trait.

 

13 starts means there isn't enough data to draw a confident conclusion about his actual traits.

The way people have generally used it, its a trait.

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Guys starting for 2+ years is how you get a lot of tape and a lot of confidence in your judgement of that tape.

 

I'm not knocking him for only 13 games, I'm doubting highly how this front office could be that in love to make that trade for him with such limited data.

Its the Parcell example.

He must be a senior

He must be a graduate

He must be a three-year starter

He must have at least 23 wins

 

I read that and it reads like a trait. Anytime that its brought up, people use it like a trait to draw a historical profile to make a prediction on the outcome of the player, and basically say, well only one great QB has ever had so few college starts, so he doesn't meet the profile of franchise QB.

 

What you're describing is a legitimate concern, which is uncertainty. But to the original question, if thats the biggest knock and everyhting else is really positive, are you just obsessing over that one knock? Or is there another big knock on Trubisky outside of that and not running a pro offense (like most college QBs)

[Guest]

I'll say this. The biggest knock seems to be the 13 starts. At what point are you obsessing over one trait in the face of all others?

 

I'm not thrilled, but I'm more in a shrug my shoulders mode than the "lol dumb Bears" attitude.

 

It's a big knock though, because you only have 13 games worth of tape to evaluate him.

 

It's also a question of what you consider to be a "franchise" quarterback. Was Cutler one? Is, say, Ryan Tannehill one? Where is the line drawn for what qualifies?

 

it's still a full year of snaps. watch the film that Thrillho posted. the thing that's special about Trubisky is how many reads he can make. Nobody else in this class does that. Watch Watson, he doesn't look anywhere else. Mahomes is better, but he still relies on his arm strength.

[Thrilho]

Forget how poorly he played in the game, he actually threw 4 touchdowns on one series that were called back by penalty is one of the dumbest analyses I've ever heard about a quarterback.

If that's all I'd posted for my analysis then ok. But my opinion of the pick is based on his athletic traits and a season of 30/6 TD to Int ratio plus those other stats I posted. I put up the video so people could see the drive, which I thought was pretty good. He didn't play well overall in the game but he showed off some nice tools on that drive.

[Guest]

13 starts isn't a trait.

 

13 starts means there isn't enough data to draw a confident conclusion about his actual traits.

The way people have generally used it, its a trait.

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Guys starting for 2+ years is how you get a lot of tape and a lot of confidence in your judgement of that tape.

 

I'm not knocking him for only 13 games, I'm doubting highly how this front office could be that in love to make that trade for him with such limited data.

 

I don't know how much more anyone needs. They can see him get through his progressions better than anyone else, and they can see that his release is just about as quick as any QB that's been drafted in the last 10 years, they can see how accurate he is with his throws, they can see that he can scramble and avoid the pass rush. it's enough tape.

[David]

This been posted yet?

 

I haven't watched it or anything...going to later. Just thought people would be interested in seeing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHpQmcZgP3I

[jersey cubs fan]

The way people have generally used it, its a trait.

That just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Guys starting for 2+ years is how you get a lot of tape and a lot of confidence in your judgement of that tape.

 

I'm not knocking him for only 13 games, I'm doubting highly how this front office could be that in love to make that trade for him with such limited data.

 

I don't know how much more anyone needs. They can see him get through his progressions better than anyone else, and they can see that his release is just about as quick as any QB that's been drafted in the last 10 years, they can see how accurate he is with his throws, they can see that he can scramble and avoid the pass rush. it's enough tape.

 

the cool thing is in 2019 when he's got 13 NFL games on tape people will say it's way too early to make a judgement so we'll get to hear just how pumped up to see him take the next step.

[jersey cubs fan]

This been posted yet?

 

I haven't watched it or anything...going to later. Just thought people would be interested in seeing.

 

You thought people would be interested in hearing Gruden talk?

[Derwood]

"Quickest release in last 10 years" sounds well researched

[WrigleyField 22]

"Quickest release in last 10 years" sounds well researched

Is that from the Gruden tape? He loves to love on QBs. Everything with a block of salt, lol.

[David]

This been posted yet?

 

I haven't watched it or anything...going to later. Just thought people would be interested in seeing.

 

You thought people would be interested in hearing Gruden talk?

 

I think the Gruden QB camp stuff is fun and good. Just obviously have to adjust for hyperbolic praise.

 

I like Gruden in general but dislike how he does MNF.

[davell]

Look, I get WHY he took Trubisky. I disagree on doing it this year and with HIM. But, obviously you needed to find a QB. We all agree on that. The when and who is immaterial now, we've got to HOPE this IS the guy or we're going to suck for a while longer.

 

But......The showing in FA pisses me off even more now. If you knew you were basically punting getting immediate impact in the draft, you horsefeathering HAVE to do better in FA. This really does come off as Pace and Fox(tied at the hip now) buying a bit of extra security. They have 2017 and 2018 under contract and I figure they're both safe thru that period and probably for 2019 as well now.

[Derwood]

"Quickest release in last 10 years" sounds well researched

Is that from the Gruden tape? .

 

It's from sulley

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This been posted yet?

 

I haven't watched it or anything...going to later. Just thought people would be interested in seeing.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHpQmcZgP3I

Gruden is such a weirdo. "Drake? yeah? take a note about Van Halen will ya"

[David]

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Ha, kind of prescient

[davell]

Seattle seems like the ideal trade partner to me. They've got like 6 picks today. And 58,92, and 106 is almost an exact match by the chart.

 

Somehow do that and get some semblance of this.....

 

58) CB Quincy Wilson, Sidney Jones, Kevin King, Tankersley, Awuzie or S) Melifonwu, Josh Jones, Maye, Evans, Baker, Desmond King

 

One of that group is definitely still sitting there, probably multiples.....

 

At 92 and 106, you can address OT or DL, along with WR/TE, with plenty of value still available at each.

[Guest]

Melifonwu was a CB in college, right? he's as fast as a CB, and big like a safety. could he project at CB? Is it only his size that causes him to project at S?

[Guest]

"Quickest release in last 10 years" sounds well researched

Is that from the Gruden tape? .

 

It's from sulley

 

just based on what I've seen and what I can remember. this isn't something I heard today on Mad Dog and Maggie, Derwood, sorry.

[Derwood]

WTF Is Mad Dog and Maggie?

[David]

Quickest release since Jay Cutler?

 

 

(actually, wasn't the super quick release sexy rexy's "plus plus hands?")

[Guest]

it's your type of lazy analysis.

[WrigleyField 22]

Quickest release since Jay Cutler?

 

 

(actually, wasn't the super quick release sexy rexy's "plus plus hands?")

Quick release? Nah just cannons for arms.

[jersey cubs fan]

but your mom said i had the quickest release

[Guest]

Quickest release since Jay Cutler?

 

 

(actually, wasn't the super quick release sexy rexy's "plus plus hands?")

 

Cutler's release is nowhere as quick as Trubisky's. Cutler has the better arm, but Trubisky is better in the pocket, making progressions, his decision-making is better, and he's got a faster release.