Cubs (Reportedly) Make Offer to Francisco Liriano

[davell]

I don't think taking a super literalist interpretation of that quote to the extent where the plan is to by and large ignore the MLB roster until a specific offseason when you make several impact deals in addition to having impact graduations is the correct(nor desired) plan.

I don't think they'll ignore it at all. But it'll be short term deals, with the occasional young guy that we deal for, like a Delgado, Chisenhall, Casey Kelly, whoever else. I expect one guy like that added this offseason. Hopefully more, but my guess is one. And probably the same again next year as well, unless we have enough breakouts to make them move quicker.

[Backtobanks]

At some point, the fact that the Cubs gave Paul Maholm, a buy low guy who never had very good stuff, a 1+option deal and then traded him at his peak value, got transformed into "every FA SP the Cubs sign for fewer than 17 years is just gonna get dealt at the deadline". There's a continuum there, and signing someone like McCarthy, Marcum, Liriano, etc. is definitely not a guarantee that they are going to be sold off for prospects at the first sign of individual success.

 

It may not be a guarantee, but it certainly looks like the MO of our FO. If your target date to be a good team is 2015 (which seems to be what they're shooting for), then keeping someone like Marcum/McCarthy/Liriano through 2014 doesn't make sense if someone offers some decent prospects.

 

It looks like the MO.....based on Paul Maholm. And even if the "target date to be a good team" is 2015, you would absolutely have interest in a 3 year deal with a SP and keeping him for the duration so you aren't replacing a rotation cog right when you're planning to be good. This what I mean, taking a single decision and jumping through logical hoops to fit every move afterwards into the same category is silly.

 

You're the one that posted "every FA SP the Cubs sign for fewer than 17 years is just gonna get dealt at the deadline", not me. My point is that the FO seems likely to trade any ML assets that don't really fit the plan for a young, contending team in 2015 and beyond. That includes Garza, Soriano, DeJesus, Marmol, Camp (if resigned), and any of the McCarthy/Marcum/Liriano/etc. that they sign.

[CincyCubsFan]

Cool move. I always wanted to be an Oakland A's fan. Now I essentially am.

[Guest]

At some point, the fact that the Cubs gave Paul Maholm, a buy low guy who never had very good stuff, a 1+option deal and then traded him at his peak value, got transformed into "every FA SP the Cubs sign for fewer than 17 years is just gonna get dealt at the deadline". There's a continuum there, and signing someone like McCarthy, Marcum, Liriano, etc. is definitely not a guarantee that they are going to be sold off for prospects at the first sign of individual success.

 

It may not be a guarantee, but it certainly looks like the MO of our FO. If your target date to be a good team is 2015 (which seems to be what they're shooting for), then keeping someone like Marcum/McCarthy/Liriano through 2014 doesn't make sense if someone offers some decent prospects.

 

It looks like the MO.....based on Paul Maholm. And even if the "target date to be a good team" is 2015, you would absolutely have interest in a 3 year deal with a SP and keeping him for the duration so you aren't replacing a rotation cog right when you're planning to be good. This what I mean, taking a single decision and jumping through logical hoops to fit every move afterwards into the same category is silly.

 

You're the one that posted "every FA SP the Cubs sign for fewer than 17 years is just gonna get dealt at the deadline", not me. My point is that the FO seems likely to trade any ML assets that don't really fit the plan for a young, contending team in 2015 and beyond. That includes Garza, Soriano, DeJesus, Marmol, Camp (if resigned), and any of the McCarthy/Marcum/Liriano/etc. that they sign.

 

Based on Paul Maholm.

[Guest]

Based on Paul Maholm.

To be fair, it's based on more than Maholm. They also traded Dempster & Soto last year (and tried to trade Garza). They've also made some comments in the press that lead one to believe they see that as one way to bolster the talent in the system in the short term.

 

On the other hand, they signed DeJesus as a guy that fit what they were looking for and had no intention of moving him last year. Other comments in the press also say they're not looking to do that continually.

[Guest]

Marlin Bystro at PSD with an update...

 

 

Does Francisco Liriano move the needle for you?

 

I could see that one happening fairly soon.