Zach Greinke is probably getting traded and stuff

[ctcf]

Figured I'd make a thread for this instead of just piecemealing it in the Dempster/Garza threads.

 

Also: lol, wut?:

 

According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the White Sox have emerged as a potential suitor for Zack Greinke.

The American League Central-leading White Sox are looking to make a serious charge at a playoff spot and have already spun one excellent deal to land Kevin Youkilis. But they might not have enough bullets in their farm system to do another high-profile swap. Greinke, an impending free agent, has a 3.57 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 116 innings this season. The Braves, Angels, Rangers and Orioles also have interest.

 

I don't see how that's even possible. The White Sox barely have anything even resembling a farm system.

[rawaction]

Figured I'd make a thread for this instead of just piecemealing it in the Dempster/Garza threads.

 

Also: lol, wut?:

 

According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the White Sox have emerged as a potential suitor for Zack Greinke.

The American League Central-leading White Sox are looking to make a serious charge at a playoff spot and have already spun one excellent deal to land Kevin Youkilis. But they might not have enough bullets in their farm system to do another high-profile swap. Greinke, an impending free agent, has a 3.57 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 116 innings this season. The Braves, Angels, Rangers and Orioles also have interest.

 

I don't see how that's even possible. The White Sox barely have anything even resembling a farm system.

 

That also implies that they actually gave up bullets to get Youkilis.

[ctcf]

Figured I'd make a thread for this instead of just piecemealing it in the Dempster/Garza threads.

 

Also: lol, wut?:

 

According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the White Sox have emerged as a potential suitor for Zack Greinke.

The American League Central-leading White Sox are looking to make a serious charge at a playoff spot and have already spun one excellent deal to land Kevin Youkilis. But they might not have enough bullets in their farm system to do another high-profile swap. Greinke, an impending free agent, has a 3.57 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 116 innings this season. The Braves, Angels, Rangers and Orioles also have interest.

 

I don't see how that's even possible. The White Sox barely have anything even resembling a farm system.

 

That also implies that they actually gave up bullets to get Youkilis.

 

This is very true.

 

Seriously though, I'd love to see any package they think they could possible get Greinke for.

[Guest]

 

That also implies that they actually gave up bullets to get Youkilis.

 

Speaking of, the Red Sox are DFAing Lillibridge

[davell]

They're skipping Greinke's spot in the rotation because he's really been struggling. He's given up 14 runs over his last 14 innings.

[El Duderino]

@Kevin_Goldstein

 

Not without getting very creative and incl. big leagues. RT @ErikPerez08: @Kevin_Goldstein Do the ChiSox have the pieces to acquire Grienke?

[Cubswin11]

They're skipping Greinke's spot in the rotation because he's really been struggling. He's given up 14 runs over his last 14 innings.

That and if they bump him back they get to have him and Gallardo pitch in their upcoming series against the Reds, they still think they can/are trying to make a run for the division.

[DiamondMind]

I don't understand why the White Sox caught so much crap for their farm going into this season. Just the other night they used EIGHT rookie pitchers in one game, which according to Elias, was the first time in history. It's not great, but it's not the worst in baseball either. Also Chris Sale is arguably the best pitcher in the AL this year, Reed is 14/16 in save opportunities, and Viciedo is on pace to post 30 taters with a 760 ops as a 23 year old.

[Theo]

It's not great, but it's not the worst in baseball either.

Yes it is.

 

Also Chris Sale is arguably the best pitcher in the AL this year, Reed is 14/16 in save opportunities, and Viciedo is on pace to post 30 taters with a 760 ops as a 23 year old.

That's great, but since those players are on the big league roster, it's really irrelevant to the argument.

[Guest]

I don't understand why the White Sox caught so much crap for their farm going into this season. Just the other night they used EIGHT rookie pitchers in one game, which according to Elias, was the first time in history. It's not great, but it's not the worst in baseball either. Also Chris Sale is arguably the best pitcher in the AL this year, Reed is 14/16 in save opportunities, and Viciedo is on pace to post 30 taters with a 760 ops as a 23 year old.

 

I'll let Keith Law field this one.

 

The Chicago White Sox get knocked on year after year for having a very poor farm system. However, this year they have had any where from 6-10 Rookies on the Major League roster including about 8 rookies on the pitching staff all while they are in first place. How do you explain all this with a so called poor farm system?

Klaw  (1:09 PM)

 

Nearly all of their rookies this year are relievers, who are not particularly valuable long-term assets relative to starters or everyday position players. Fangraphs only shows two CWS rookies worth more than 0.5 WAR this year - Addison Reed at 1.0, whom I ranked as their top prospect and put in my top 100; and Jose Quintana, a minor league free agent who had not appeared in their organization prior to 2012. They're in first place because they're a good team, but not because of the contributions from rookies this year.

[Magnetic Curses]

what's taters, precious?

[BeerHere]

what's taters, precious?

You know, pick em, mash em, stick em in a stew.

[Vinestal]

what's taters, precious?

You know, pick em, mash em, stick em in a stew.

lol you guys are great.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Figured I'd make a thread for this instead of just piecemealing it in the Dempster/Garza threads.

 

Also: lol, wut?:

 

According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the White Sox have emerged as a potential suitor for Zack Greinke.

The American League Central-leading White Sox are looking to make a serious charge at a playoff spot and have already spun one excellent deal to land Kevin Youkilis. But they might not have enough bullets in their farm system to do another high-profile swap. Greinke, an impending free agent, has a 3.57 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 116 innings this season. The Braves, Angels, Rangers and Orioles also have interest.

 

I don't see how that's even possible. The White Sox barely have anything even resembling a farm system.

 

That also implies that they actually gave up bullets to get Youkilis.

 

This is very true.

 

Seriously though, I'd love to see any package they think they could possible get Greinke for.

 

If it doesn't involve Chris Sale, which would be giving up a front end starter with 5 years of team control for a front end starter with 3 months of team control, it ain't happening. Next.

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Tom ‏@Haudricourt

Greinke won't return until second game vs. Philly, meaning he'll miss an entire turn.

 

This could help the Cubs a bit.

[dfnowak]

Phil Rogers, why would the Brewers even consider this?

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-lottery-dempster-floyd-20120718,0,5744745.story

 

Should the White Sox seriously pursue Greinke, their best offer would be one built around Floyd and minor-league prospects, like lefty Charlie Leesman and shortstop Tyler Saladino. Eduardo Escobar, who is blocked by Alexei Ramirez, is another guy who could be in play in the event of Brewers-White Sox talks.

[mookie]

Figured I'd make a thread for this instead of just piecemealing it in the Dempster/Garza threads.

 

Also: lol, wut?:

 

According to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports, the White Sox have emerged as a potential suitor for Zack Greinke.

The American League Central-leading White Sox are looking to make a serious charge at a playoff spot and have already spun one excellent deal to land Kevin Youkilis. But they might not have enough bullets in their farm system to do another high-profile swap. Greinke, an impending free agent, has a 3.57 ERA and 117 strikeouts in 116 innings this season. The Braves, Angels, Rangers and Orioles also have interest.

 

I don't see how that's even possible. The White Sox barely have anything even resembling a farm system.

 

That also implies that they actually gave up bullets to get Youkilis.

 

This is very true.

 

Seriously though, I'd love to see any package they think they could possible get Greinke for.

 

If it doesn't involve Chris Sale, which would be giving up a front end starter with 5 years of team control for a front end starter with 3 months of team control, it ain't happening. Next.

 

Yep, it's Chris Sale or bust. I mean, why not upgrade from Sale to Greinke?

[DiamondMind]

We don’t get too hung up on these ratings. I understand they are a big story right now, and obviously we prefer to show well as oppose to showing poorly. But that’s not the priority within our draft and within our minor league system. Our goal is to do two things with the minor league system; first, provide high impact assets for the major league club in Chicago. This year we have a potential impact starter in Chris Sale who was home grown, a potential impact back of the end bullpen guy in Addison Reed and a right fielder, an everyday position player, in Dayan Viciedo who we developed. So from that element, the farm system is doing what we need it to do.

 

The second thing a farm system needs to do is create trade assets that allow us out onto the market and acquire players to help us in Chicago.

 

Essentially, their position is they don't stockpile prospects in the minors in order to secure a high ranking. But, of course, it's not like other teams are, either.

 

Baseball America has come out with another set of rankings that should give credit for what the White Sox say they do.

 

In these rankings:

 

[baseball America] ranks the organizations based on the talent that has passed through their systems since the end of the 2008 season. That includes both prospects who graduated to the majors or were used in trades, as well as those lost via waivers or the Rule 5 draft. A team gets credit only for players who spent time in its system (so no Austin Jackson for the Tigers) and anyone who was traded by one organization and reached the majors with another (such as Brett Lawrie) are counted with both.

 

Here, the White Sox shoot all the way up to #20, which I think is a pretty fair assessment. At the bottom are the Twins, Astros and Mets - who, notably, are teams that are expected to really suck this year. Also below the White Sox from the AL Central are the Tigers, who have only produced Alex Avila of late.

 

Why the hell am I defending the White Sox