Leonys Martin

[Guest]

from the rules:

 

"Prospects may only be selected during the prospect draft to be held annually each August. Players cannot be selected through waivers until they are on a major league roster (including expanded 40 man rosters in September)."

 

ie, once a player is on a major league roster, they can be picked up by waivers and subsequently by major league draft.

 

I believe this is correct. I remember something similar happening in the same season Chris Sale was drafted. He was drafted in June...was in the majors shortly thereafter and then was claimed on waivers that same season.

 

As Tim alluded to, that would be me.

 

I don't mind if we are changing the rules, though I don't know that it matters too much going forward as I believe guys making it up the September they are drafted is going to go away with the new CBA. By the rules we had previously, Martin should belong to Tim.

 

So am I wrong here? My understanding of the rule was that even though Martin played in the majors last year, the answer to the question if Tim could keep him would be determined if he made the cut at the end of spring and was with the Rangers on opening day.

That's for prospects without major league experience. Just like if the Dodgers option De La Rosa, you don't have to drop him.

[Guest]

As far as simple rules go, I'm not sure it gets much easier than this:

 

1) Players with mlb experience are mlb draft eligible

2) Players without mlb experience are only prospect draft eligible (with annual specific exceptions for Darvish-type players)

3) Players with mlb experience that are still rookie-eligible are eligible for both drafts

 

That's my understanding of how things have always been.

[moochpuppy]

As far as simple rules go, I'm not sure it gets much easier than this:

 

1) Players with mlb experience are mlb draft eligible

2) Players without mlb experience are only prospect draft eligible (with annual specific exceptions for Darvish-type players)

3) Players with mlb experience that are still rookie-eligible are eligible for both drafts

 

That's my understanding of how things have always been.

 

Sounds about right.

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so the next time a leonys martin or xavier nady gets an at bat in september, the person nearest to the computer when he takes that at bat can claim him and then chuck him in the minors? does the player need to appear in a game or can we just grab them when they're called up for expanded rosters?

[Guest]

so the next time a leonys martin or xavier nady gets an at bat in september, the person nearest to the computer when he takes that at bat can claim him and then chuck him in the minors? does the player need to appear in a game or can we just grab them when they're called up for expanded rosters?

 

we use waivers so everyone has a shot

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so the next time a leonys martin or xavier nady gets an at bat in september, the person nearest to the computer when he takes that at bat can claim him and then chuck him in the minors? does the player need to appear in a game or can we just grab them when they're called up for expanded rosters?

 

we use waivers so everyone has a shot

 

Well, the team with top waiver priority has a shot. Everyone else's shot is dependent upon those with higher priority.

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And is waiver priority determined by draft pick? So the best teams have top waiver priority?

[Guest]

And is waiver priority determined by draft pick? So the best teams have top waiver priority?

no, the worst team will have top priority. Unfortunately, there is a logistical problem with this as he wouldn't show up on waivers. Maybe there is a work around in there somewhere but I do see a problem executing the rule.

[Quakers]

As far as simple rules go, I'm not sure it gets much easier than this:

 

1) Players with mlb experience are mlb draft eligible

2) Players without mlb experience are only prospect draft eligible (with annual specific exceptions for Darvish-type players)

3) Players with mlb experience that are still rookie-eligible are eligible for both drafts

 

That's my understanding of how things have always been.

 

These are rules I can live with, but they are different than what I thought.

 

So I could pick up a player in the major league draft and then place him in the minors to start the year?

[Guest]

As far as simple rules go, I'm not sure it gets much easier than this:

 

1) Players with mlb experience are mlb draft eligible

2) Players without mlb experience are only prospect draft eligible (with annual specific exceptions for Darvish-type players)

3) Players with mlb experience that are still rookie-eligible are eligible for both drafts

 

That's my understanding of how things have always been.

 

These are rules I can live with, but they are different than what I thought.

 

So I could pick up a player in the major league draft and then place him in the minors to start the year?

If he's got major league experience and is still minor league-eligible?

 

Yes

[Guest]

And is waiver priority determined by draft pick? So the best teams have top waiver priority?

btw - you do know you're up in the draft, right?

[Quakers]

so the next time a leonys martin or xavier nady gets an at bat in september, the person nearest to the computer when he takes that at bat can claim him and then chuck him in the minors? does the player need to appear in a game or can we just grab them when they're called up for expanded rosters?

 

Once Roadkill's play-offs start, you can't make any additions to your team. So this is not an issue. If a player gets a few AB's in September, then they are available for everyone in the following Roadkill March draft.

[karenmac]

agreed

 

if he played in the majors, he should be in the major league draft.

[Quakers]

I assume that if a player is selected in both drafts, then the major league draft would take precedence.

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I don't know where else to put this, so I'll just piggyback on this discussion.

 

can I get a couple rules clarifications on prospects?

 

First, can prospects be added by FA claim, if they haven't made the majors? It seems based on the discussion in the prospect draft that this was allowed last year and is going to be allowed again this year. But the rules prohibit it:

 

Prospects may only be selected during the prospect draft to be held annually each August. Players cannot be selected through waivers until they are on a major league roster (including expanded 40 man rosters in September).

 

Second, can a guy remain in my "minors" after being called up? If so, for how long? D Brown, for example, is in my minors and is still eligible to be there. However, he'll likely get called up at some point this year, but I may not want to add him to my ML team right away (or ever, if he sucks). Can I keep him in the minors? If he hits 200 ABs this year, can I keep him in the minors throughout this season?

 

On a related note, if a guy is eligible for the minors but makes a ML team out of camp, can I keep him in the minors? Eovaldi is competing for a ML spot, but I want to keep him in the minors. If he should happen to start the year with the Dodgers, do I have to add him to my ML roster?

 

Sorry for all the questions, but the information I have isn't clear or is conflicting.

[abuck1220]

Second, can a guy remain in my "minors" after being called up? If so, for how long? D Brown, for example, is in my minors and is still eligible to be there. However, he'll likely get called up at some point this year, but I may not want to add him to my ML team right away (or ever, if he sucks). Can I keep him in the minors? If he hits 200 ABs this year, can I keep him in the minors throughout this season?

 

you can keep him in the minors until he reaches 200 major league ab's.

 

On a related note, if a guy is eligible for the minors but makes a ML team out of camp, can I keep him in the minors? Eovaldi is competing for a ML spot, but I want to keep him in the minors. If he should happen to start the year with the Dodgers, do I have to add him to my ML roster?

 

no.

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So minor league eligibility is lost immediately upon clearing the threshold? Thanks.

[abuck1220]

So minor league eligibility is lost immediately upon clearing the threshold? Thanks.

 

yes. unless, of course, the player is actually sent back down to the minors.

 

if brown comes up and gets 200 ab's, he cannot be kept in your minor leagues. however, if he sucks (likely) and is sent back down after 220 ab's, you can put him back in your minors.

[Quakers]

I don't know where else to put this, so I'll just piggyback on this discussion.

 

can I get a couple rules clarifications on prospects?

 

First, can prospects be added by FA claim, if they haven't made the majors? It seems based on the discussion in the prospect draft that this was allowed last year and is going to be allowed again this year. But the rules prohibit it:

 

Prospects may only be selected during the prospect draft to be held annually each August. Players cannot be selected through waivers until they are on a major league roster (including expanded 40 man rosters in September).

 

Second, can a guy remain in my "minors" after being called up? If so, for how long? D Brown, for example, is in my minors and is still eligible to be there. However, he'll likely get called up at some point this year, but I may not want to add him to my ML team right away (or ever, if he sucks). Can I keep him in the minors? If he hits 200 ABs this year, can I keep him in the minors throughout this season?

 

On a related note, if a guy is eligible for the minors but makes a ML team out of camp, can I keep him in the minors? Eovaldi is competing for a ML spot, but I want to keep him in the minors. If he should happen to start the year with the Dodgers, do I have to add him to my ML roster?

 

Sorry for all the questions, but the information I have isn't clear or is conflicting.

 

Well, considering that I was wrong before ...

 

It was my understanding that any prospect not taken in our spring draft could be picked up as a free agent during the season. That the only players that I could not pick up during the season were players drafted in this June's MLB draft and international signee's not available during Roadkill's draft. Once a player had passed through one prospect draft unselected, then he was fair game.

 

Am I wrong again?

[abuck1220]

that's how i understand it.

 

obviously the best thing to do is do away with the prospect draft or just hold a prospect draft in june after the real draft.

[moochpuppy]

I don't know where else to put this, so I'll just piggyback on this discussion.

 

can I get a couple rules clarifications on prospects?

 

First, can prospects be added by FA claim, if they haven't made the majors? It seems based on the discussion in the prospect draft that this was allowed last year and is going to be allowed again this year. But the rules prohibit it:

 

Prospects may only be selected during the prospect draft to be held annually each August. Players cannot be selected through waivers until they are on a major league roster (including expanded 40 man rosters in September).

 

Second, can a guy remain in my "minors" after being called up? If so, for how long? D Brown, for example, is in my minors and is still eligible to be there. However, he'll likely get called up at some point this year, but I may not want to add him to my ML team right away (or ever, if he sucks). Can I keep him in the minors? If he hits 200 ABs this year, can I keep him in the minors throughout this season?

 

On a related note, if a guy is eligible for the minors but makes a ML team out of camp, can I keep him in the minors? Eovaldi is competing for a ML spot, but I want to keep him in the minors. If he should happen to start the year with the Dodgers, do I have to add him to my ML roster?

 

Sorry for all the questions, but the information I have isn't clear or is conflicting.

 

Well, considering that I was wrong before ...

 

It was my understanding that any prospect not taken in our spring draft could be picked up as a free agent during the season. That the only players that I could not pick up during the season were players drafted in this June's MLB draft and international signee's not available during Roadkill's draft. Once a player had passed through one prospect draft unselected, then he was fair game.

 

Am I wrong again?

 

This is my understanding of the rule as well.

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That's what someone told me (bbb?), but since the rules expressly prohibit it, I wanted to confirm.

[Quakers]

That's what someone told me (bbb?), but since the rules expressly prohibit it, I wanted to confirm.

 

We need Juan and/or Tim to speak to this. But I can remember several discussions we had about this.

[Guest]

you guys have it right on the minor leaguers.

 

As far as the prospect draft goes, having it after the June draft is fine - seems like we did that before. The problems we had was with players not being in the database and then losing track of who was on a team already. After the signing deadline might work better.

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Might be a fun way to kill time in the offseason.