Helping Jed

[Backtobanks]

When 3 team trades are done, it's usually because either 3 teams got together to fill each of their needs or it started with 2 teams but for one reason or another they couldn't get it done between just he 2, say team A and team B are trying to work out a deal for a specific player and theyre fairly close but they need another part, something that team B doesn't have, so either team C hears about this and jumps in with something or team A says that team C has a player they want so why not try to work something out. The proposal I fits in with 3 teams getting together to fill something for each. In yours, it wouldn't make much sense because Gavin Floyd, while not the ace he was predicted to be many, many moons ago is a very good 3 or even 2 starter under team control for 2 years on a team friendy contract. If they wanted to move him, they'd have no problem doing so and would want a package of quality prospects. I actually could see the White Sox and Reds trying to put together a 3 team trade involving Floyd and Alonso, but it would likely involve a 3rd team picking up Paul Konerko or ideally for them, Adam Dunn.

 

I agree with your assessment, but my thought was that the WS would get Alonzo with the thought of trading him to a team needing a 1B (Cubs) because of their glut of 1B/DH candidates.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When 3 team trades are done, it's usually because either 3 teams got together to fill each of their needs or it started with 2 teams but for one reason or another they couldn't get it done between just he 2, say team A and team B are trying to work out a deal for a specific player and theyre fairly close but they need another part, something that team B doesn't have, so either team C hears about this and jumps in with something or team A says that team C has a player they want so why not try to work something out. The proposal I fits in with 3 teams getting together to fill something for each. In yours, it wouldn't make much sense because Gavin Floyd, while not the ace he was predicted to be many, many moons ago is a very good 3 or even 2 starter under team control for 2 years on a team friendy contract. If they wanted to move him, they'd have no problem doing so and would want a package of quality prospects. I actually could see the White Sox and Reds trying to put together a 3 team trade involving Floyd and Alonso, but it would likely involve a 3rd team picking up Paul Konerko or ideally for them, Adam Dunn.

 

I agree with your assessment, but my thought was that the WS would get Alonzo with the thought of trading him to a team needing a 1B (Cubs) because of their glut of 1B/DH candidates.

 

My point is that the WS wouldn't need to go out of the way to get something of real value. In this trade, they get a 4-5 starter, an injury prone meh starter whose already been busted for PEDs and an named prospect. Even if it was Szczur or McNutt, what the Cubs give up isn't going to net them Alonso let alone Wood as well. Broken down this way;

 

Cubs fill their top need with a possible future star plus a young starter. I'm not sure exactly what Wood projects to be, but regardless, he's younger and probably has a higher ceiling than Wells so there's no reason that we should get him and not the WS who are giving up spending of actual value. The Cubs give up an outfielder with an expiring contract, a 4-5 starter and a mystery prospect. Again, if the Reds and WS wanted to work a 3rd team into an Alonso/Floyd deal theyd do a lot better.

 

Reds get the front endish starter they need. Byers also a solid throw in for a team who already has a decent lineup and is looking for another respectable bat. However, considering the potential of Alonso, there no reason for them to give up something else as well, especially to the team that's giving up the least. In fact, they'd probably want us to throw in at least someone like Cashner.

 

White Sox are getting garbage from both sides. In this scenario they get Volqez, a 3rd piece given up by the Reds whose damaged goods on multiple levels. They then get a back of the rotation starter from the Cubs. Keep in mind, Floyd is owed 7 mil in 2012 with a 9.5 team option for 2013, which is very team friendly for a quality starting pitcher so if they trade him they'll surely want something better than one starter with a huge question mark and another whose just Ok, so whether the Cubs prospect is Trey McNutt or Justin Berg, the White Sox would be stupid to even consider this.

 

To sum it up: Cubs get a lot, give up minimal. Reds give up a lot and get a decent return if we throw in something like Cashner with Wood being out of the question. White Sox give up a valuable piece and get a bunch of garbage when they could get something like Banuelos or Betances and then some from the Yankees.

[ctcf]

Did this thread actually turn into a serious discussion?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think that the oddity that is the big 3 team trade is worth discussing. There have ato be a lot of factors in play. Look at the Manny trade. Red Sox wanted Manny out of town for personel reasons. He was still an elite player, and they wanted a return that would still help them win now, not prospects. The Dodgers wanted Manny, but also wanted to win now and not give up any of their core players. Then, there were the lowly Pirates with a young, potentially elite player that they soon would not be able to afford, and everything worked out.

 

How about this mid season deal?

Cubs get

Andre Ethier(great player, injury concerns, FA next year)

good Dodgers outfield prospect

 

Dodgers get

Chris Young(pretty good OF, but not as good as Ethier)

Aaron Hill(another power bat, but nothing special)

 

D Backs get

Marlon Byrd(serviceable, but weakest of the 3 outfielders)

Darwin Barney/Blake DeWitt/Jeff Bianchi

Trey McNutt

Jeff Stevens(or any run of the mill reliever who's been up and down multiple times)

 

Had B2B made a suggestion like this, what would the reaction be? The usual uproarious laughter? Probably, but looking at everything involved, it's very simialr to the Nomar trade, assuming all 3 teams are in contention.

 

Even looking at the Colby Rasmus trade, they needed to make it 2 seperate transactions to get it done. Otherwise, how would this proposal be perceived?

 

Blue Jays get

Colby Rasmus

Mark Teahen

Trevor Miller

PJ Walters

 

Cardinals get

Edwin Jackson

Corey Patterson

Octavio Dotel

Mark Spellczek

 

 

White Sox get

Jason Frasor

Zach Stewart

[Rob]

Why the hell would anybody want to give up anything for Andre Ethier?

 

He's going into his age 30 season.

He's expensive.

He's an awful fielder.

He just experienced a huge power decline.

The only reason his stats look okay last year is because of BABIP and defensive fluctuations.

 

Unless somebody else is paying a good chunk of his salary and we're giving up very little there is absolutely no reason to be involved in the trade market for him.

 

Of course, I've made these points to WSR before and it seems he either completely dismissed them or simply forgot all about them.

[MWV]

He's an awful fielder.

BUT HE WON A GOLD GLOVE!

[Clem Fandango]

I think you're severely underestimating Chris Young's worth in this deal. He's been worth 9.2 wins over the past two season whereas Ethier has been worth 5.1.

[bukie]

Yeah, if you're going to go to the trouble of getting the Diamondbacks involved in a trade, just trade for Chris Young, who's been quietly good the past couple years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wasn't actually suggesting this trade as realistic proposal, just saying that the Nomar trade, had someone randomly proposed such a thing where we got Nomar and a decent prospect while giving up 1 good pitching prospect and a sack of garbage and I was suggesting something similar that would be met with an equal reaction in which we get something and give up junk.

[Rob]

I wasn't actually suggesting this trade as realistic proposal, just saying that the Nomar trade, had someone randomly proposed such a thing where we got Nomar and a decent prospect while giving up 1 good pitching prospect and a sack of garbage and I was suggesting something similar that would be met with an equal reaction in which we get something and give up junk.

 

Except instead of giving up junk, you have us giving up McNutt and Barney, both of whom have real value as 0-3 guys... and Byrd, who should net a B prospect at the deadline.

 

And instead of getting something, you have us receiving a guy whom the Dodgers should be nontendering.

 

Brilliant!

[TruffleShuffle]

i also like how it's darwin barney/blake dewitt/jeff bianchi, because a guy who was a 2 WAR rookie is equivalent to a guy who is pretty much a 0 WAR player, and they're both equivalent to a 25 year old middle infielder who hasn't played above AA and was just acquired on waivers.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just trying to find an eqivalent to Brendan Harris in a fictitious proposal which is simply just proving that when it comes to a 3 team trade, it's virtually unpredictable and it is possible for 1 team to give up 1 top prospect and pile of garbage and get something of value in return.